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Old June 17th, 2008 Jun 17, 2008 7:50:01 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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I'm having a problem getting rich color. My blacks, by the time I take the parchment away are coming out about a 60% gray.

I'm using a Epson 2200, stylist photo inks (standard ink for this printer), pressing (medium) for 25 seconds at 375. 100% cotton.

It looks great through the parchment, but looks like about 20 to 30% of my ink is coming off on the parchment.

Any help would be great!

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I'm having a problem getting rich color. My blacks, by the time I take the parchment away are coming out about a 60% gray.

I'm using a Epson 2200, stylist photo inks (standard ink for this printer), pressing (medium) for 25 seconds at 375. 100% cotton.

It looks great through the parchment, but looks like about 20 to 30% of my ink is coming off on the parchment.

Any help would be great!

Thanks
Guy
Make sure the transfer is completely cold before you peel the parchment paper. That way the coating that seals the ink is already set.

I have tried Ironall for dark with both inkjet and laser printer. The inkjet color looked washed out while the laser version looked vibrant. That is my experience with it.
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Old June 18th, 2008 Jun 18, 2008 8:11:42 AM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Ironall for Darks concerns... and Epson Ink??

OK, did that. More or less with the same result. Yes the parchment is cleaner, and I think my "color" areas came out a little brighter, BUT the blacks are in my opinion a deal breaker. They are still about 60-70%.

As a designer, if I outline parts of a design in black and in comes out 60%, that a HUGE shift! I have a bright yellow logo with black type, but on my shirt I have a bright yellow logo with grey type, man... not the same.

Any other ideas out there? I also have an Epson CX4200 I could use. Not sure if the Epson ink for that is different than for the 2200. I know they are both pigment.

Is "ALL" Epson pigment ink considered "Durabrite"?
 
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Default Re: Ironall for Darks concerns... and Epson Ink??

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As a designer, if I outline parts of a design in black and in comes out 60%, that a HUGE shift!
Durabrite can color shift like that.

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Any other ideas out there? I also have an Epson CX4200 I could use. Not sure if the Epson ink for that is different than for the 2200. I know they are both pigment.
One way we check is on epson.com. They have the specs listed for each printer. just put the model number in the search box.


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No, some use Ultra Chrome, some use Claria ink.
 
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Default Re: Ironall for Darks concerns...

OK

Well I did find out my 2200 does not use Durabrite.

I know the colors can shift somewhat. I use the 2200 to print on my light color transfers they print fine, look great on the transfer, but gain yellow once heated. So you have to adjust your output a little. But the blacks are fine. In fact the blacks are really good.

I will try printing on the Ironall for Dark from my 4200 (it is Durabrite) to see if that makes a difference.

It's gotta be something... otherwise I would think there would be a lot of people commenting on it. I mean, if I can't get around it, there is KNOW WHY I would ever suggest this paper.
 
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It also sounds like a bad batch of Ironall Dark is out there. There's been alot of complaints, we're not buying again for now until the stock sounds better again.
 
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Default Re: Ironall for Darks concerns...

Hey Guy,

I know you are not using Durabrite which probably the reason why you are getting the result that is being off. I did use Durabrite ink and this was the result I got which to me is washed out and not vivid compared to laser toner:

http://www.t-shirtforums.com/attachm...k-comparis.jpg

BTW I did not make any color profile adjustment in the printer driver. Some that is having color shift problem tried the color setting in the driver with the following values:

C +5
M +5
Y -15

Others has done away with making profile adjustment and bought the third party inks that are made for heat transfer.
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Others has done away with making profile adjustment and bought the third party inks that are made for heat transfer.[/quote]


What are the inks you speak of above?
 
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Default Re: Ironall for Darks concerns...

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In another post you comment that you press for 6 seconds at 375.

Holly cow, I have been pressing for 25 seconds! I believe that's what the directions say. Maybe that's what going wrong with the blacks. Because it does look like they are just kind of going a little transparent and the white is showing through.

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In another post you comment that you press for 6 seconds at 375.

Holly cow, I have been pressing for 25 seconds! I believe that's what the directions say. Maybe that's what going wrong with the blacks. Because it does look like they are just kind of going a little transparent and the white is showing through.

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I had been pressing longer too!
Hmmm...will try this shorter press time, thanks!
 
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Others has done away with making profile adjustment and bought the third party inks that are made for heat transfer.

What are the inks you speak of above?[/quote]
Two sources that are frequently mentioned in this forum are sold by:
Ink Cartridges ~ Inkjet Refill Kits ~ Fine Art Paper ~ Pigment Inkjet Ink ~ Laser Toner ~ Bulk Feed Systems ~ CFS ~ CIS ~ Accessories : Inksupply.com

Refillable inkjet cartridge, refillable ink cartridges, ultrachrome printer inks.

The inks are pigmented that is made for heat transfer and do not shift.

Inkjetcarts.us price is much cheaper than Inksupply.com. Make sure to specify the heat transfer inks. Both company sell refillable cartridges. Not sure which vendor has better inks.

Search the forum using the
URL's above and you find a lot about their products, reports about performance and quality.
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