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Old May 1st, 2008 May 1, 2008 11:53:47 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Ok I have been thinking of this for years and now for the life of me i cannot understand why no entrapenering company has not developed this, I was even at the UK Sign show the other week and asked both the man on the Direct to T-shirt stand and the guy on the Roland stand who was demo'ing me their latest white print and cut machine which I have an interest in and told him to go back to Roland with my idea and make a name for himself!

Now for my money the direct to T-Shirt machines are both expensive, fussy to use and time consuming and at the end of it amazingly after you have to printed the garment you still have to heat press it!!!!! More wasted time and electricity.

So my question is now we have this white ink technology why not develop a way of printing a transfer by laying down the colour first then the white base which could be stored then simply pressed on to a white garment by semi skilled staff in a single operation. BTW I am not talking about litho as I know that has been done like this for years but an inhouse inkjet system.

Surely the kit would be a fraction of the price of a direct to T-shirt press and for my money would be quicker and easier to use, so come on some brainy person out there develop this and become a millionaire. I'm to old and not clever enough but if I was I am sure a solution could be found and I would be at the head of the queue if a successful system was developed.
 
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Default Re: Why has no one developed a dark garment transfer?

Are you talking about an inkjet printer that would print the CMYK part first, and then a white layer onto a release paper, that you would then press onto the shirt?
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Default Re: Why has no one developed a dark garment transfer?

Isnt opaque transfer paper for darks your actual white base?
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Default Re: Why has no one developed a dark garment transfer?

But with opaque, you either have to cut it out by hand, or transfer the whole thing. I wasn't sure if he is talking about something that would work like a opaque DTG that prints to a realease paper. Kisscut or Wow come pretty close to that.
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Default Re: Why has no one developed a dark garment transfer?

I think since dtg is available now with white ink and based basically on a digital printer, maybe the home printers will eventually have a white ink capability. Just a guess but maybe thats where his mind is traveling.
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Default Re: Why has no one developed a dark garment transfer?

okay but if you purchase a cutter you can create a cut line around your transfer and it would cut out all you don't want with the opaque right?
 
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digiprints looks good on darks
 
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maybe i am not understanding what the question is
 
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Ok I have been thinking of this for years and now for the life of me i cannot understand why no entrapenering company has not developed this, I was even at the UK Sign show the other week and asked both the man on the Direct to T-shirt stand and the guy on the Roland stand who was demo'ing me their latest white print and cut machine which I have an interest in and told him to go back to Roland with my idea and make a name for himself!

Now for my money the direct to T-Shirt machines are both expensive, fussy to use and time consuming and at the end of it amazingly after you have to printed the garment you still have to heat press it!!!!! More wasted time and electricity.

So my question is now we have this white ink technology why not develop a way of printing a transfer by laying down the colour first then the white base which could be stored then simply pressed on to a white garment by semi skilled staff in a single operation. BTW I am not talking about litho as I know that has been done like this for years but an inhouse inkjet system.

Surely the kit would be a fraction of the price of a direct to T-shirt press and for my money would be quicker and easier to use, so come on some brainy person out there develop this and become a millionaire. I'm to old and not clever enough but if I was I am sure a solution could be found and I would be at the head of the queue if a successful system was developed.
i agree something like imageclip but not as expensive like the wow paper. there's someone with already i bet. but the industry probably has shot it down or preserved it trying to sell this dtg machines, just my theory.
 
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Default Re: Why has no one developed a dark garment transfer?

Why can't the inks themselves be opaque? We need new inks in our printers...

That's about the simpliest solution I can see... If anyone uses this, just cut me in a few cents on the dollar, please..
 
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Why can't the inks themselves be opaque? We need new inks in our printers...

That's about the simpliest solution I can see... If anyone uses this, just cut me in a few cents on the dollar, please..
I think opaque inks are probably a bit heavy for todays print heads. Same problem with white ink in general whether its plastisol or digital DTG ink.

Someday we will get there but a redesign of the basic digital printer is the next solution. Right now they are trying to fit a square into a round hole.
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I think opaque inks are probably a bit heavy for todays print heads. Same problem with white ink in general whether its plastisol or digital DTG ink.

Someday we will get there but a redesign of the basic digital printer is the next solution. Right now they are trying to fit a square into a round hole.
Yeah, figured the nozzles would need a boost in size, but that and opaque inks... whoo hoo.. it'd be nice, right?

Isn't the real issue with the printers that they were not designed for this use, they were designed for photo printing.. and we have adopted a piece of equipment from a different industry and made it work with our papers?

What we need is for someone to design the printer specifically for this purpose... so I am with David.. we need a printer with nozzle heads for inks that are opaque and made specifically for garment design...
 
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I paint my shirt with whiteout first, and then apply regular transfers.
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There you go, now that's a product I always have around.. white out... how about adding food color to the white out, and just painting the whole design on... Kidding!! Like I'm not! Have a good one, peeps!
 
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I paint my shirt with whiteout first, and then apply regular transfers.
Maybe it's also possible to do "discharge printing" first, then apply regular laser transfers.
 
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