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Old March 31st, 2008 Mar 31, 2008 2:07:14 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Is it possible to contour cut without an eye or am I banging my head on the table for no reason. I want to cut out ink jet transfers with my Pcut. if it is possible how does one line it up?
 
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Can't do it. The cutter has no way of knowing orientation of the transfer.
 
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Default Re: contour cutting w/ no eye

I see that SignCut 2.21 now has the ability to contour cut. I'm not that familar with a Pcut, but for some reason I have it in the back of my head that it uses the same drivers as a refine...is that true?

I have yet to upgrade to ver 2.21 for my Copam due in part to time and worry about issues that I don't currently have. But I've been thinking similar thoughts to what you've been considering and I'm not yet ready to say it can't be done.

It would be primitave manual registration mark recoginition, somewhat like the Laserpoint set-up.
 
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I spent most of the day today trying it. I came very close several times. basically it comes down to setting the origin in the right spot after loading the transfer. I had my printer print the registration marks and put my blade on the X and it was off a bit after trial and error I was able to get very close. not close enough to try it with actual transfers mind you but very close all the same. I was just hoping someone had gone through the pain already and maybe had it down.
 
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Default Re: contour cutting w/ no eye

Using your method, are you resetting the X-Y laser offset to 0 ? When and if I get around to trying this, I thought I might try a laser set in the cutting head assembly. If I can obtain a fine enough beam, I thought I might use a laser set into a cartridge for aiming a firearm, either a .41 or .44 caliber should produce a close fit.
 
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I spent most of the day today trying it. I came very close several times. basically it comes down to setting the origin in the right spot after loading the transfer. I had my printer print the registration marks and put my blade on the X and it was off a bit after trial and error I was able to get very close. not close enough to try it with actual transfers mind you but very close all the same. I was just hoping someone had gone through the pain already and maybe had it down.
The problem doing it without the the registration option cutter is you can not compensate for the skew. Unless you set the paper to a point that all the manual registration marks are pretty square to travel of the knife vertically and horizontally.

I own a Graphtec Craft Robo Pro that has optic registration reader. Even with that option the cut is not perfectly on the contour of the image. I have played with offset and what have you but it still off a tad. So I just add the contour a little bit of allowance so that it does not cut into the image.

Try three marks and align the paper so that when the knife is moved, with straight line travel from one point to the next vertically and horizontally, will hit the marks accurately. Use a plotter pen so that you can use the same paper again. Use the untill you feel you go it down pat.
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Old May 16th, 2008 May 16, 2008 10:12:03 AM -   #7 (permalink)
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Default Re: contour cutting w/ no eye

Im a little late to the party by 3 months....

...but have you seen this laser tool for non-laser eye cutters?

eBay Express: Vinyl Cutter Contour Cutting Laser alignment tool sign - Description


Ive never tried it but was researching the same question the OP asked a while back.

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when I need to contour cut on a non-lasered cutter I do basically what lnfortun mentioned:

I print out the image(s) on the vinyl, paper, poly, etc. I also print 3 registration dots outside the images I am trying to contour cut. The reg dots basically form a large "L" shape outside all the image(s).

After printing I bring it over to the cutter and pop a pen into the knife holder. In the cut software, I simple move the L shaped cut lines that connect the reg dots to their own layer. (these "cut" lines will be traced by the pen, and not actually "cut" -- just used to get the registration all honkey dorey)

I then spend a few minutes getting the substrate alignment correct in the cutter's rollers so that the pen draws the L shape perfectly, connecting the reg dots. (perhaps on this step, if you had the laser in my link above, you might not need the pen???)

Once youre perfectly connecting the dots, then swap the pen back to the knife, switch layers in the software to your contour cuts, and let 'er rip.

This usually works perfectly fine for 95% of what Im doing. Not perfect alignment, but I find I can cut to easily within 1/16" to 1/8" of the actual lines. Sometimes I get lucky and nail perfect alignment with it -- maybe 20-25% of the time that happens. The largest area Ive attempted this technique at is 13x19. ( largest size that can be spewed from a epson 1400.) I don't do this often, but it does work when I need it.

To compensate for the slight offset errors using this method, I usually just overprint my 'bleed color' 1/8" larger than the contour cut size. I.e. I print slightly outside the contour lines by 1/8" all around. Close enough for Rock n Roll in my book.

Im sure there are better ways to register w/o a laser eye, but that was what I can up with in a couple of hours of farting around with it.

As noted, this is really the same thing lnfortun/Luis has aleady described above in the last paragraph of his reply above. Just a bit more detail to the process is all.

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Ive also applied a temp backing to stuff I wanted to cut that is only single layer but that the machine can cut through. YOu know, just "die cut" objects. For example paper cutouts with no printing on them. I just tore off some vinyl from it's backing and used that as the paper backer and stuck the paper down to it. Worked fine with a extremely light mist of spray glue on the paper.



PS: mods should probably move this thread over to "vinyl cutters" for indexing purposes. I'd probably never search the heat press forum for cutter related posts

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