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Old March 5th, 2008 Mar 5, 2008 12:26:58 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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i was thinking of using plastisol transfers but the only problem is that My designs have about 5 colors in them,, and i would only be ordering about 30 sheets.. would this be a waste of money.. how much would this range? does any one know how cmyk plastisols work? any help will be appreciated
 
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Have you looked into Freedom Transfers by F&M Expressions?

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Old March 5th, 2008 Mar 5, 2008 12:32:34 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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thank you so much.. ill check them out
 
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... and i would only be ordering about 30 sheets.. would this be a waste of money.. how much would this range?
A 12.75 x 19" sheet is $5.44 for 32. If you ganged at least two designs on the sheet, it would be $2.72 per design.
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Old March 5th, 2008 Mar 5, 2008 12:45:20 PM -   #5 (permalink)
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thank you.. the one site says opaque transfers.. isnt that different from plastisol or am i wrong? im a newbie


thank you queerrep as well.. and is this with a design with 5 colors as well?
 
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thank you.. the one site says opaque transfers.. isnt that different from plastisol or am i wrong? im a newbie


thank you queerrep as well.. and is this with a design with 5 colors as well?
Oh, that just means 'opaque' as in you won't see the color of the shirt showing through the transfer. These are 4-color process (CMYK) plastisol transfers – so even if your design consists of 1,000 different colors, it will still be the same price. You can even print white.

On another note, some folks here don't like the Freedom transfers because they have a 'plastic' feel. I believe F&M will send you some samples.

You can do a search for 'freedom transfers' and see what other people say about them. Personally I use them all the time and I think they're great.
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thank you soooo much!! Ill keep this site under my favorites
 
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also when designing theese images with photoshop.. do all i have to do is use cmyk format? Thank you
 
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also when designing theese images with photoshop.. do all i have to do is use cmyk format? Thank you
Yes, all colors need to be CMYK process colors so if you're setting it up in Photoshop just make sure it's set to CMYK mode. Resolution must be 300 DPI and supplied at the final size desired.
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Yes, all colors need to be CMYK process colors so if you're setting it up in Photoshop just make sure it's set to CMYK mode. Resolution must be 300 DPI and supplied at the final size desired.
thanks rhonda for the heads up on freedom transfers. i have been looking for a good supplier of multi color plastisol transfers. you said others feel the have a plastic feel to them? can you elaborate? is it just a thicker hand to the garment?
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thanks rhonda for the heads up on freedom transfers. i have been looking for a good supplier of multi color plastisol transfers. you said others feel the have a plastic feel to them? can you elaborate? is it just a thicker hand to the garment?
No problem, Rick. Yes it's definitely a thicker hand and it's a bit shiny – not matte like an ink-jet transfer would be. I think I posted some pics in one thread, but I can't remember. If I can dig it up, I'll post the link here so you guys can see.
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No problem, Rick. Yes it's definitely a thicker hand and it's a bit shiny – not matte like an ink-jet transfer would be. I think I posted some pics in one thread, but I can't remember. If I can dig it up, I'll post the link here so you guys can see.
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thanks rhonda for the heads up on freedom transfers. i have been looking for a good supplier of multi color plastisol transfers. you said others feel the have a plastic feel to them? can you elaborate? is it just a thicker hand to the garment?
I've used them on a couple of jobs. And they do have a thicker, plastic feel. As well as a glossy shine.

I would avoid using a full color design that has a large surface to be printed because it looks like a Dark Inkjet Transfer at that point. The best success I've had is with designs wear the shirt color comes through. Still heavier than traditional screen prints, but very acceptable & LOVED by my customers because of the detail.

Here's a good DO vs DON'T example: http://www.dlggraphics.com/store/ima..._alpha_ape.jpg

I originally designed this image with 4-colors: black, white, gold, & gray. I had the black in the design so I could apply the opaque transfer to both black & white shirts. Sounds simple enough. Well, they accidentally removed the black from the eps file I sent, thinking it was the background. So, my transfers didn't have black in them BUT the black from the shirt came through & filled the spaces. Perfect for black shirts. But, wouldn't work on white. you following me?

I called my rep @ F&M, Christine, and explained what happened. She is BEST account/customer rep you could ask for anywhere. She researched what happened, corrected the mistake, added the black into the transfers & shipped me the corrected order. Awesome!!!! . . . Well, not so much so.

When I pressed the new, full 4-color transfer onto a white shirt, I was left with what looks like a big ol' piece of plastic in the middle of the shirt. It looked great! But feels terrible. There's no way i can sell that to anyone because it covers way too much surface area with the ink.

All that said, this is not dig on F&M. It does point out a limitation in their product. Be absolutely sure that you're okay with having a heavy design if you go the route I did. It turns out that the "mistake" product they sent me was actually the way I should've gone to begin with.

Here are a couple of designs that worked INCREDIBLY well with F&M, eliminating the shirt color from the actual design -- letting the SHIRT be the last color. Hope my long rant helps someone!

http://www.dlggraphics.com/store/images/uploads/africa_ithaca.jpg


http://www.dlggraphics.com/store/images/uploads/7jewels.jpg


http://www.dlggraphics.com/store/images/uploads/chosen_frozen.jpg

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The best success I've had is with designs wear the shirt color comes through.
I agree with Aamon on this.

Here are a few samples:






Also there's an older thread where you can see some other opinions and photos:
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Old March 5th, 2008 Mar 5, 2008 3:26:15 PM -   #15 (permalink)
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I agree with Aamon on this.

Here are a few samples: . . .
Thanks Rhonda. Are those your designs or stock images? Did you actually touch those? The reason I'm asking is based on my prior experience, I'd only do the 1st design with F&M's 2-color spot process because that design does allow the shirt to come through & their white ink is softer than their colored ink, IMO. The other two designs are too large & that entire image would be sitting on top of the shirt with a really heavy hand - just like my Pledged Ape design on a white shirt.


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