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Old January 8th, 2008 Jan 8, 2008 4:53:45 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default problems with plastisol transfers peeling off.

OK so for the last couple shirts i have done I've had the transfer not release from the paper properly. Leaving half the image pressed and half just kind of bubbled on top of the shirt. The ones that did adhere seem to not have adhered properly to the garnments. Easily peeling off with just one wash.

I'm using Plastisol hot peel heat transfers from Red Rocket Graphics,Hotronix 16x16 auto open clam shell press. I have my temp @ 390degrees as per the instructions that came with the transfers. I pre press for 25 seconds and then press the actual transfer for 8 seconds allowing 3 seconds cool time before peeling, again as per the instructions. My pressure is at medium to high.

I read some of the other posts about this and it seems to me that maybe I'm using too high of a temp??

I'm thinking it may be the transfers themselves.
 
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Old January 8th, 2008 Jan 8, 2008 5:07:06 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: problems with plastisol transfers peeling off.

I too was having this problem- I am new to this- and no matter what I tried I kept ruining everything I did.

It has been suggested here that 400 for 12-13 seconds then take an old t-shirt(boy do I have them) rub the transfer before taking the backing off. then remove the paper. Well I did that and all the shirts came out great.- so try it
 
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Old January 8th, 2008 Jan 8, 2008 5:26:50 AM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: problems with plastisol transfers peeling off.

Have you washed any of your shirts yet???? That's really my biggest problem.
 
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Old January 8th, 2008 Jan 8, 2008 5:29:25 AM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: problems with plastisol transfers peeling off.

Should be no problem washing plastisol transfers and the 400 degree 13-14 seconds and a quick rub is spot on info.
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Old January 8th, 2008 Jan 8, 2008 3:52:39 PM -   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: problems with plastisol transfers peeling off.

yu could try peeling them right away and not waiting the 3 seconds. the company that i use says prepress for a few seconds to remove excess moisture, then press for 8 secs @ 380 degress and peel immediatly. on the other hand i have heard before that RRG transfers are very poor quality.
 
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Default Re: problems with plastisol transfers peeling off.

I have heard the same thing, though I have never used them myself.
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Old January 8th, 2008 Jan 8, 2008 5:44:16 PM -   #7 (permalink)
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Default Re: problems with plastisol transfers peeling off.

Number one your pre press is very long. I never pre-press a shirt more then 5 second. see one of my videos. Peel Hot... I mean HOT.. lid up.. peel... not lid up laaalaaa peel. I am not familiar with the brand.
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Default Re: problems with plastisol transfers peeling off.

Lou, would it be better to use a t pad it in this application, sounds like to me maybe? Don't know,

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Old January 9th, 2008 Jan 9, 2008 5:42:00 AM -   #9 (permalink)
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Number one your pre press is very long. I never pre-press a shirt more then 5 second. see one of my videos. Peel Hot... I mean HOT.. lid up.. peel... not lid up laaalaaa peel. I am not familiar with the brand.
Depends on the humidity, where you live and if you take shirts on the road. A 5 second pre-press on heavyweight black will not remove all the moisture in our area.
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Default Re: problems with plastisol transfers peeling off.

I live in New York, and never thought we had THAT much humidity here in the winter, but I guess I was wrong. I've seen steam when pre-pressing, and just so I can rule moisture out if I do wind up having a problem, I've made a habit of pre-pressing the area for 5 seconds, then I press the entire shirt to make sure it looks nice, and then I pre-press the transfer area once again for 5 seconds before applying the transfer (inkjet or stock transfer with plastisol).

I've found that increasing temp to 400, increasing pressing time to 12-14 seconds, rubbing the transfer down with a clean old t-shirt and then waiting maybe 5 seconds before peeling gave me perfect results with stock transfers. In addition, any area containing red ink had to be peeled from the opposite corner so the red was the last area peeled.

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Default Re: problems with plastisol transfers peeling off.

I use a different brand but have still yet to solve the issue. The transfer doesn't seem to stick to the tee often and so I have to do it at a high temp and sometimes a cumulative time of 50 seconds (becos part of the design just doesn't seem to leave the paper sometimes). I do peel immediately and have tried patting down method, different times, tried medium and high pressure... Not too sure what to do.
 
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I use a different brand but have still yet to solve the issue. The transfer doesn't seem to stick to the tee often and so I have to do it at a high temp and sometimes a cumulative time of 50 seconds (becos part of the design just doesn't seem to leave the paper sometimes). I do peel immediately and have tried patting down method, different times, tried medium and high pressure... Not too sure what to do.
What type of transfer and who made them? 50 seconds is just way long for plastisol transfers.
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Lou, would it be better to use a t pad it in this application, sounds like to me maybe? Don't know,

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I don't think so unless the area needs to be raised where the transfer goes. remember you do not want seam to get in the way of transfers.
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Default Re: problems with plastisol transfers peeling off.

can you test on a diff press?? Maybe something is wrong with yours? My first one was doing that and i was able to use my friends and see the transfers work and figure out it was def my press.
 
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Default Re: problems with plastisol transfers peeling off.

I can't test on a different press as I am the only one I know with a press.

I've tried peeling them right away and the opacity is garbage then also I get about the same result either way.

Lou, you've used spot98 before I saw in one of your videos. Have you ordered any more plastisol transfers from them? If so are they of a good quality?
 
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