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Old October 20th, 2007 Oct 20, 2007 5:11:23 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Which brand of Sign vinyl would you recommend using for car decals and window stickers? LG, Oracal, 3M, or Avery.
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We use both oracal .. I would stay away from anything avery....
 
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Oracal 751 (cast cut vinyl)
Oracal 651 (calendared cut vinyl)
3M IJ180v2 (vehicle wrap)
Oracal 3651 (printed decals)
 
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Oracal 751 (cast cut vinyl)
Oracal 651 (calendared cut vinyl)
3M IJ180v2 (vehicle wrap)
Oracal 3651 (printed decals)
Is Oracal 651 (calendared cut vinyl) good for vehicle decals?
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I use only Avery A6 or 7. never had a problem with it Sue.
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Oracal 651 for simple vehicle installs without many complex curves. Oracal 751 for more complex applications.
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Lou.. I just know that they have had a history of some of their vinyls not holding up (curling up on vehicles and such). and they didnt stand behind the product.. There is alot of info on it on the sign forum i belong to.. (and avery is actually one of my sign customers, lol )

90... many people use calendared on vehicles and signs, I tend to use the cast on vehicles..

Here is the site from oracle.. which talks about which product for what.. and they state the calendared is for vehicles too.
ORACAL USA : Products : Browse By Application
 
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It's been my experience that for the average joe with softball-sized exhaust pipe, your distributor's house brand of calendared vinyl is the best way to hook him up with his twenty dollars worth of race inspired cosmetic enhancement.

For more important (and expensive) jobs like commercial vehicles, race cars, show cars, etc. use a nice cast material. I'm partial to Arlon stuff, but most people like Oracal. 751 and 651 are readily available and has a nice selection of colors, as well as a good price point.

Arlon will send you a few yards of sample stuff, I think you can even request it on their website.
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lol.. I love how you said that.>>>
**It's been my experience that for the average joe with softball-sized exhaust pipe, your distributor's house brand of calendared vinyl is the best way to hook him up with his twenty dollars worth of race inspired cosmetic enhancement.**


I cant say ive ever done anything but commericail vehicles.. but yes.. for most people if they just want a word on thier car window or a bit of sumthing on the side.. the house brand would be fine..

Sign mart sells permagloss as thier house brand and it holds up quite nice on things.. .. We have seen signs that the previous owner made with permagloss like 5 years ago and they still look nice.... a bit of shrinkage.. but im not sure any vinyl wouldnt shink a bit after 5 years in the elements
 
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heh. I'm as guilty as the next guy, you should see the car sometime.
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Lou.. I just know that they have had a history of some of their vinyls not holding up (curling up on vehicles and such). and they didnt stand behind the product.. There is alot of info on it on the sign forum i belong to.. (and avery is actually one of my sign customers, lol )

90... many people use calendared on vehicles and signs, I tend to use the cast on vehicles..

Here is the site from oracle.. which talks about which product for what.. and they state the calendared is for vehicles too.
ORACAL USA : Products : Browse By Application
I will look into it. I have not been to the sign forum as of yet. I have trouble keeping up with this one. great info though. Lou
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I would have to agree that Avery is problematic in the interm. product. On horizontal car surfaces it does crack and fade into a mess. I stay away from Avery vinyl completely. 3M and Oracal are our choice vinyls. House brand white is ok for bin decals.
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Motoskin.. we have been using the oracal wrap vinyl for out wraps and partial wraps.. and I am really impressed with it.. I think the texture of it is a bit finer than the 3M wrap material..
 
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Motoskin.. we have been using the oracal wrap vinyl for out wraps and partial wraps.. and I am really impressed with it.. I think the texture of it is a bit finer than the 3M wrap material..
I dont do total vinyl wraps just vinyl graphics. I like the oracal 751 but dont really like the 851. I usually just grab the 3m for special colors and in a pinch, problem solving. It is wise to find a brand and grade and stay with it. Get comfortable with the vinyl you like and understand exactly what it can and cant do.

I am going to play around with the new pressure sensative wrap vinyls just to see how far I can push them.
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this is the one i have used ORAJET Series 3951RA It has what they call rapid air release.. the back is like snake skin textured..

We wraped a 18 foot long box truck with this stuff.. and its so easy to lay without bubbles..
 
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