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Old October 8th, 2007 Oct 8, 2007 10:58:37 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Question Why is the black ink fading/bleeding after wash?

After washing a couple of white tshirts with designs primarily in black ink, on one the black faded, the other it bleed . The color ink t-shirts have held up wonderfully. I am using Jetflex Premium paper and printing on a Lexmark x3350 printer. Your advice would be greatly appreciated !
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Old October 12th, 2007 Oct 12, 2007 1:15:38 PM -   #2 (permalink)
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Can any of the veterens/pros help? PLEASE. Thanks in advance.
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Old October 15th, 2007 Oct 15, 2007 4:13:49 AM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why is the black ink fading/bleeding after wash?

Try a different printer. I have good wash results using an Epson c88.Also you can search this forum next time.
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Old October 22nd, 2007 Oct 22, 2007 11:36:15 AM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Why is the black ink fading/bleeding after wash?

Does your Lexmark use Pigmented inks?
If you used dye based inks you will get some bleeding and fading. You'll know if it is or not 'cause the manufacturer always says somewhere in the promo laterial if it's a pigment ink.

It's my understanding that most printers with the escpetion of Epson use dye based inks.

I DID see a Canon printor the other day that touted using pigmented inks so I'm not so sure anymore.

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It's not the printer...this technology always worked wonderful in the old days when the inks where only dyes....
I have always used Canon printers, and genuine Canon inks (they don't burn in the transfer process).....

It's the paper....back in the day prior to everyone getting into this business (manufacturing transfer paper), I never had problems with shirts running or washing out....

I came across the same problem when I could'nt get paper from my supplier, and purchased a paper that had a green line down the back....(don't know the name)

another time purchased paper that had red squares on the back....same problem...

purchased recently something called clearsoft...has a greenish blue tinted back....
sending it back...no-where near the print quality of trans-Jet II, but seems to have the same technology.

I always try to use trans-jet II....(hundreds of thousands of shirts) never found anything that holds up as well, and never let me down, and more importantly, customers re-order!

hope this helps!
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It's not the printer...this technology always worked wonderful in the old days when the inks where only dyes....
I have always used Canon printers, and genuine Canon inks (they don't burn in the transfer process).....

It's the paper....back in the day prior to everyone getting into this business (manufacturing transfer paper), I never had problems with shirts running or washing out....

I came across the same problem when I could'nt get paper from my supplier, and purchased a paper that had a green line down the back....(don't know the name)

another time purchased paper that had red squares on the back....same problem...

purchased recently something called clearsoft...has a greenish blue tinted back....
sending it back...no-where near the print quality of trans-Jet II, but seems to have the same technology.

I always try to use trans-jet II....(hundreds of thousands of shirts) never found anything that holds up as well, and never let me down, and more importantly, customers re-order!

hope this helps!
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First I hate transjet II. it cracks. I showed the company a comparison of the transjet paper and the Iron All paper and they decided to carry the Iron All paper. Second. I hate lexmark printer. (Some of you may remember I was a Epson demo rep a few years ago. I worked out of a Best Buy. They couldn't give away the lexmarks. Oh wait they did if you bought a computer. Dye ink.. bad pigment ink good.

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Default Re: Why is the black ink fading/bleeding after wash?

Hiya,

Will there be a difference in bleeding or print quality between the C88 or CX8400? Will one give better print results over the other? Thanks so much, Best regards!
 
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i agree with lou. Try pigment inks and you will notice a difference. Don't wash the shirt after 24 hours being transfered and let your inks dry after printing for 15-20 minutes before Heat transfer on a garment. There is nothing wrong with the paper. i've been using it when the first product came out and my clients love it how it looks and feels on the apparel.
 
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Old October 27th, 2007 Oct 27, 2007 7:26:12 AM -   #9 (permalink)
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Just my two penneth, not agreeing with Lou, in the days I used inkjet transfers, I used (and would only use) transjet II paper, never in many years had a problem with it cracking, I still have and wear shirts that i printed a long time ago with TJII and Magic Mix inks and they still look good today........then i moved onto laser transfers and would not go back to inkjet now (constant blocked heads and wasted ink with cleaning cycles).....

as i said just my two penneth......

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Just my two penneth, not agreeing with Lou, in the days I used inkjet transfers, I used (and would only use) transjet II paper, never in many years had a problem with it cracking, I still have and wear shirts that i printed a long time ago with TJII and Magic Mix inks and they still look good today........then i moved onto laser transfers and would not go back to inkjet now (constant blocked heads and wasted ink with cleaning cycles).....

as i said just my two penneth......

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Dave, how did you prevent cracking?
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Default Re: Why is the black ink fading/bleeding after wash?

I had a feeling it was the ink. Thank you all for the valuable information!
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