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Old July 27th, 2007 Jul 27, 2007 10:11:39 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Post Finding of some transfer paper sample (and some concern rasie)

Hi all, recently I had test out some sample paper from Coastal Business & New Milford Photo. Here some of my findings that I wish to share and at the same time seek some guidance from the experience folk in this forum =)

Do note that I’m a newbie in transfer printing and some of my method might be wrong, do correct me if possible. Also I had no intention in trashing any brand of paper, what listed below is a personal finding from a newbie with almost zero experience in the t-shirt printing industry. (I did however; try to follow the instruction as closely as possible from the manual that comes with the sample pack)


1) Here the paper I bought & test

Coastal Business
http://www.coastalbusiness.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=34438

Coastal Inkjet Transfer Paper
Jet Light Transfer Paper
Everlast Inkjet Transfer Paper
Red Grid Transfer Paper
Cold Peel Light Transfer Paper
Iron Man Inkjet Transfer Paper
Coastal Inkjet Opaque Transfer Paper (Dark Fabric):
Jet Dark Inkjet Transfer Paper (Dark Fabric)
Dazzle-Trans High Gloss Finishing sheet (Didn't test this out)
2 Silicon Cover Sheets ( I think they forgot to send me this. I did however receive 2 pcs of tracing paper like material, are this silicon sheet???)


New Milford Photo
http://www.newmilfordphoto.com/samples.html

LIGHT COLORS Sample Pack
DARK COLORS Sample Pack
Iron-ALL Sample Pack


2) Here my equipment list and production method
- Roland versacamm (SP300V)
- Heat Press with timer

- 350 Degree Fahrenheit (180 Degree Celsius)
- 30 Seconds
- Medium pressure
- Hot peel unless otherwise specific
- For most of the paper that doesn’t not need reverse printing (dark paper??), the paper is transfer to a hot fixed tape before pressing on the t-shirt.
- Printing quantity is set to “Standard” with the heater function turn off.


3) Here are my findings:

New Milford LIGHT COLORS Sample Pack
Printing Output: Color Smudge
Finishing Touch: Thick, plastic feel.
Other Concern: None

New Milford DARK COLORS Sample Pack
Printing Output: Sharp and Vibrant
Finishing Touch: None
Other Concern: The material fails to transfer to fabric.

New Milford Iron-ALL Sample Pack
Printing Output: Smudge, poor printing output, paper texture remain on fabric
Finishing Touch: Almost blend to the fabric, “handless” feel. Smooth to touch also.
Other Concern: Paper texture remains on paper & fabric after transferring.

Coastal Inkjet Transfer Paper
Printing Output: Sharp but not very vibrant
Finishing Touch: Almost blend the fabric, but have a rough texture.
Other Concern: None

Iron Man Inkjet Transfer Paper:
Printing Output: Color Smudge
Finishing Touch: Almost blend to the fabric, “handless” feel. Smooth to touch also.
Other Concern: None

Coastal Inkjet Opaque Transfer Paper (Dark Fabric):
Printing Output: Sharp and Vibrant
Finishing Touch: None
Other Concern: The material fails to transfer to fabric.

Everlast Inkjet Transfer Paper
Printing Output: Color Smudge
Finishing Touch: Almost blend the fabric, but have a rough texture.
Other Concern: None

Cold Peel Light Transfer Paper
Printing Output: Color Smudge
Finishing Touch: Thick, plastic feel.
Other Concern: None

Jet Light Transfer Paper
Printing Output: Color Smudge
Finishing Touch: Almost blend the fabric, but have a rough texture.
Other Concern: None

Jet Dark Inkjet Transfer Paper (Dark Fabric)
Printing Output: Color Smudge
Finishing Touch: Thick, plastic feel.
Other Concern: This is the ONLY dark paper that manages to stick on the fabric!!

Red Grid Transfer Paper
Printing Output: Color Smudge
Finishing Touch: Thick, plastic feel.
Other Concern: None


4) Conclusion and concern
To be very honest, I can’t find a prefect paper from this list of selection, but probably I will stick to the following at this moment

Light Fabric - Coastal Inkjet Transfer Paper
- decent printing output
- soft hand (but rough to touch =( )

Dark fabrics - Jet Dark Inkjet Transfer Paper for dark fabrics
- The ONLY dark paper that manage to stick and stay.


However, can someone guide me for this following concern?

4a) why does the printing smudge?

For an example for smudging, please follow this link for a sample of what I mean by smudge versus sharp printing.
http://64.13.207.72/download/h-result.jpg

I understand this might be cause by the amount of ink use on the paper, but on some event, we did try to us “economical” mode, but the printing still smudge. What could have gone wrong? Or is it because the printer we are using (Roland versacamm SP300V) is “too powerful” for some type of paper?


4b) why are we unable to test most of the dark paper successfully?
Almost all the dark paper we try have problem. Here our procedure in greater detail.

- Print image in printing side without reversing the image
- Peel off the unwanted section (Our printer have plotting function)
- Place the hot fixed tape over to transfer the image over (printed side facing the sticky side of hot fixed tape)
- Peel of the backing of the original transfer paper.
- Pre-press t-shirt to remove winkle and moisture
- Place image and hot fixed tape on t-shirt
- Press for 30 seconds at 350 Degree F
- When we peel of the hot fixed tape, the transfer paper with come out with it together.

We suspect this might be because our hot fixed tape is too sticky, could this be the case? In some Costal paper, it mention that a silicon paper to be use, how does a silicon paper look like?

Also, the transfer paper without the backing is too thin to be on its own, so direct apply on the fabric without and transfer/hot fixed tape seem really impossible.

How do you guy deal with this problem? Care to advice?

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That about it, do comment and feedback if possible, will greatly appreciate your input. Also thanks for reading so far =)


Cheers
Chup

Last edited by chup; July 27th, 2007 at 05:16 PM..
 
Old July 27th, 2007 Jul 27, 2007 10:37:42 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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Hi Chup
I am new to this printing lark 2 lol but i use an Epson dx7000f printer in matt ,best photo,and reverse mode (for lth t shirts haven't done any dk yet) i don't have any problems of smudging the pic is clear and sharp however i am also getting a rough feel ever after fixing i seem to get 1 side smoth but not both side's as i am printing on both sides so will be interested in any replys to this thread =) and good luck
 
Old July 27th, 2007 Jul 27, 2007 5:16:21 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Finding of some transfer paper sample (and some concern rasie)

hi deniseg

what paper did u use?
and did u use the same paper on both side?
 
Old July 28th, 2007 Jul 28, 2007 4:11:11 AM -   #4 (permalink)
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I use JetStream iron on for light and white with Thermok, this is for letting u know when u have ironed it enough but found 200c for 18 sec's ok and yes use it for both sides , get no smudging however not sure if i can improve on the fade time with washing so just doing tests on the epsom dura brite inks and see if they work better as i think the other compatable inks i am using might be ink dye rather then pigment inks and i think on reading forums that the pigment inks work better hope this helps =)
 
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Default Re: Finding of some transfer paper sample (and some concern rasie)

thanks deniseg..

still anyone can brief me about why it smudge and why opaqua can work well?
 
Old July 29th, 2007 Jul 29, 2007 7:55:24 AM -   #6 (permalink)
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I have never had a smudge??? as you call it. Explain what it is or show picture. One thing on any of the Iron All papers for light which also go by other names you must stretch the design immediately upon lifting the press. This will make your transfer soft hand. I use parchment paper in place of the silicon paper. It is just a barrier between design and platen. I have sample of red Grid but have not used it yet. What is the differnce, if any between that and blue grid opaque paper. Lou
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Default Re: Finding of some transfer paper sample (and some concern rasie)

Hi Lou,

Thanks for the reply!

For an example of smudging, pls take a look at
http://64.13.207.72/download/h-result.jpg

i will try do a scan of what i have for ironall and post up soon (the material is not with me at this moment..)

but other then the smudging problem, do u have any idea why the opaque paper is not sticking?
 
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YAAAAAAAAAAA cracked the rough feel =) i remembered reading some place in forums that they had used 5 sheets of plain paper ontop of print to fix it and it worked, now i put teflon sheet on botton and 5 paper sheets on the print on top and it comes smoth both sides now SOOOO lots of Hugs to the guy that sent that thred in =) ( can't find it now lol )
ps have switched to Epson inks (pigment) and the pic is grt
 
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Default Re: Finding of some transfer paper sample (and some concern rasie)

5 sheet of paper

won't 1 thick sheet work?
 






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