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Old July 18th, 2007 Jul 18, 2007 12:44:26 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Ok, all you guru's out there....simple question (right!)...does ImageClip paper work in the Okidata c3400n? If so, how well? Any issues or problems? The 3400 seems to work so well with the DuraCotton and other papers, so am thinking of buying one. Any insight appreciated.

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Ok, all you guru's out there....simple question (right!)...does ImageClip paper work in the Okidata c3400n? If so, how well? Any issues or problems? The 3400 seems to work so well with the DuraCotton and other papers, so am thinking of buying one. Any insight appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Imageclip imaging paper(red) does not have polymer coating so jamming is not an issue unlike Duracotton. Do not set the media way too heavy because it makes the fuser way too hot. It tends to damage the glossy surface of the Imaging paper (red). I use media setting of either Transparency or Heavy. I press the two papers at 210F for 10 seconds then peel hot. This is the critical part. Some vendor recommends 225F for 20 seconds. At this setting the polymer tends to be precooked which makes poor transfer of polymer/toner on the shirt. There is another member that uses C3400 that is why I know the printer works. I use C5200Ne which is an older model. I believe C5200Ne has the same engine as C3400.

It is a bit tricky at the beginning. Once you figure out the printer and press settings the rest is easy. You are going to love Imageclip. No polymer background issue. Even if there is a little bit of polymer in the unprinted area in the imaging paper(red) it does not show in the fabric. I have used it on light color shirts without any issue. Unlike Duracotton where white patch shows up in light color shirt after the first wash. The best paper I have ever used.

Here are some threads that you can read about pros and cons of Imageclip:

Transfer paper needs no cutting?

Photo Trans ImageClip paper?

PhotoTrans ImageClip - only option that won't leave polymer window?

ImageClip, Okidata c5500n, Phoenix Phire

Imageclip printing and pressing questions

You can also use the forum's search engine and use Imageclip as the keyword.

So try it already. Get samples from one of the vendors.

Sorry about the long post. I just like to talk about Imageclip.

Good Luck.

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Luis,

Thanks, that's just what I wanted to know.

I have been using ImageClip in my B&W HP laser, so I am familiar with the pressing and all. We want to move up to weedless color. The 3400 appears to be one of the best with DuraCotton, so wanted to make sure it would also work with ImageClip, as I have quite a bit on hand.

Thanks for the temp/time info...I had been using 210 for 10 but had noticed that many of the suppliers recommend the 220-225 for 20 and was about to try that...so appreciate the heads up on that issue. I'll just stay with 210 for 10.

Again, thanks for the good info.

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I'm currently testing out Duracotton HT with my oki 3400 but I also ordered a pack of Imageclip to compare both.

Does Imageclip work well with colored shirts such as blue, grey, yellow, pink ect?

What kind of pressure do you use and Is it necessary to change pressure settings between the two steps?
 
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I tried ImageClip with my new c3400n and it works well on gray and white....haven't tried other colors yet. It needs light pressure when pressing to the green text sheet, but needs HEAVY pressure for the pressing to the shirt.

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I'm currently testing out Duracotton HT with my oki 3400 but I also ordered a pack of Imageclip to compare both.

Does Imageclip work well with colored shirts such as blue, grey, yellow, pink ect?

What kind of pressure do you use and Is it necessary to change pressure settings between the two steps?
yes imageclip works with light colors such as pink, blue yellows tan green gold,natural, and u can aso use it with black text or graphics on red, and lime green, orange
 
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I'm currently testing out Duracotton HT with my oki 3400 but I also ordered a pack of Imageclip to compare both.

Does Imageclip work well with colored shirts such as blue, grey, yellow, pink ect?

What kind of pressure do you use and Is it necessary to change pressure settings between the two steps?
It works extremely well with the colors you mentioned. You need not worry about white box after the light colored shirt has been washed. Unlike Duracotton I red some posts about people having white box on light colored shirt issue after the shirt has been washed.

As to pressure, temp and time settings read my previous post.

Check these photos:

http://www.t-shirtforums.com/p127002-post4.html
http://lh6.google.com/lnfortun/RhMrc.../Nukecon1a.jpg


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I forgot to mention. The other day I was printing on the imaging paper when the printer has been sitting idle for quite a while and the first sheet I printed came out smeared. Some how the fuser was not hot enough even though it says it was ready. I ran 10 blank bond paper to clean the fuser and then everything printed ok. So I made it ( printing on blank bond paper) part of my printing procedure before printing on the imaging paper just so I don't take anymore chances of ruining another imaging paper.

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I You need not worry about white box after the light colored shirt has been washed.

Is there a box before it is washed?
 
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Is there a box before it is washed?
The pink shirt in the photo was not washed when I posted it. As you can see there is no box.

The Natural shirt was washed 4 times when the photo was posted. It has been through the wash 16 times to date and it looks the same as the day it was pressed. Very little fade.

That is the beauty of Imageclip, no box before and after wash.

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Hey Luis, Thanks for the tips.. I also do the same thing as you mentionned - Running 10 blank papers through the printer to heat it up and I haven't had any problems with toner smearing..

I just ordered a pack of imageclip papers to try out. The thing that is making me lean towards Duracotton though is the price between both papers at this point..
I'm from Canada and was only able to find one supplier of ImageClip papers but each sheet costs $1.20 plus taxes and shipping costs. the Duracotton only costs $0.75 cents taxes included!
 
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Hey Luis, Thanks for the tips.. I also do the same thing as you mentionned - Running 10 blank papers through the printer to heat it up and I haven't had any problems with toner smearing..

I just ordered a pack of imageclip papers to try out. The thing that is making me lean towards Duracotton though is the price between both papers at this point..
I'm from Canada and was only able to find one supplier of ImageClip papers but each sheet costs $1.20 plus taxes and shipping costs. the Duracotton only costs $0.75 cents taxes included!
Hi Meyerlanksi,

That's a shame that you have to pay that much per sheet. We can get Imageclip in the US for $0.63 at 100 qty. and it gets better for large volume. The price that you are paying is almost the price for 11 X 17 sheets.

Here is the site of a vendor that has the lowest price:

Photo-Trans® ImageClip™ Order Page

I wonder if it is going to be cheaper if you order from this company after considering import duty, shipping cost and currency exchange value.

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Thanks for the link, I'll give them a call to see if they ship to Canada and how much it will cost with shipping. As for duty fees - I think if the product was made from the US there is no charge but I'll have to double check that too..

I should be getting the pack I ordered some time today or tomorrow. I'll report back with my results and compare both Duracotton HT with Image clip!

I have read that Imageclip doesn't work well with gradient fade type effects, is that true? And can all colors get transfered properly or are there limitations with that as well?
 
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Thanks for the link, I'll give them a call to see if they ship to Canada and how much it will cost with shipping. As for duty fees - I think if the product was made from the US there is no charge but I'll have to double check that too..

I should be getting the pack I ordered some time today or tomorrow. I'll report back with my results and compare both Duracotton HT with Image clip!

I have read that Imageclip doesn't work well with gradient fade type effects, is that true? And can all colors get transfered properly or are there limitations with that as well?
hey,
the only thing about fades is u have to have your sats darker, i have never really had a problem with fades or gradients. i do them all the time in my designs. that's part of what makes imageclip special u can do that. and also i your fades r say like red yellow blue. don't choose the lightest of those colors choose the median between those and it looks amazing.
 
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Thanks for the link, I'll give them a call to see if they ship to Canada and how much it will cost with shipping. As for duty fees - I think if the product was made from the US there is no charge but I'll have to double check that too..

I should be getting the pack I ordered some time today or tomorrow. I'll report back with my results and compare both Duracotton HT with Image clip!

I have read that Imageclip doesn't work well with gradient fade type effects, is that true? And can all colors get transfered properly or are there limitations with that as well?
Well if you look at the photo (from previous post) with natural colored shirt the image (Nukecon) is full of gradient fade. There are all kinds of light colors and they turned as viewed on the monitor.

I tried pressing a couple of photos. The print turned out not too badly. I think there is room for improvement with some tweaking. One turned out a little darker than the original and the other have too much saturation. I think photos can be done with imageclip.

See attached photos. What do you think?

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