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Old February 26th, 2007 Feb 26, 2007 4:47:58 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Hi im trying out ironall light fabric transfers at the moment, everything seems better than what I've been using but after a wash they've bled quite badly into the polymer,this is worst on designs using red for some reason.Im trying to get my epson 1290 to put less ink down but the only way I know is to reduce saturation which makes the design look dull.does anyone know of a better way to adjust how much ink is put down on paper with this printer?

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I don't think it's the amount of ink that's the problem, it's the type. Dye-based inks tend to bleed. For best results you'll need to use a pigment-based ink such as Durabrite.

If you still want to try reducing the amount of ink on the paper, go to your print setup and choose a medium "text" setting rather than "graphics" or "photo" settings.
 
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Old February 26th, 2007 Feb 26, 2007 2:29:27 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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??? Iron all does not have polymer. Also Jasonda is right on it sounds like a dye ink problem.
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I used a rubbish pigment inkset from china a while ago with a different transfer paper and it bled so I thought good quality dye would be fine, not with this transfer..should've read more on here before I purchased em.

can you buy durabrite in bulk?

the polymer - i meant the unprinted part of the transfer you leave after cutting

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hi everyone,
I uses iron all paper, and i try experimenting what type of ink is better for this paper,i print 3 types of ink in one shirt.One is Hp,epson durabrite and ciss from china. Then i washed it and dry it for almost 8 wash now and still HP is the best picture printout. i'll post some picture of the shirt next time.If you have some type can you try it also.I uses cx3810 and Hp all in one (56,57 ink).Let me know what result you get.thanks
 
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and the hp ink your using is dye based? does anybody know of a company who sell pigment inks for the epson 1290? Ive been fruitlessly searching......

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Yes it's dye base ink. 8 washes already no bleeding,no color change and still nice.maybe tomorrow i'll post the picture of the comparison between the two. I buy my pigment CISS ink from this site
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after looking at your link I found a few places, this one Fotospeed Inkflow Replacement Inks for Epson 1270/90, Ultra II Pigment Inks, Set of 6 is in the uk which is a bonus, but the inks are expensive so im goin2find reviews or experience with them first also I checked that coastal business place lou cites in his video(s)-something which is tailored specifically to the task makes sense..more research..definately post your photo
 
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ROQ,

How is the Hp C3180 All-In-One printer I looking into buying one myself later this week and was curious as to the quality it can produce and heat transfer ink capabilities any suggestions or opinions is helpful. Sorry for the off subject post but b4 I purchased one I wanted to get some insight.

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Hi tim,
I don't know about this HP C3180, but i have a old version of HP all in one.i have no problem with it. In my opinion about HP is its better to use in IRON ALL/Miracool Paper. and i have no problem also in printing in opaque paper. By the way my HP uses #56,57,58 ink
 
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can you buy durabrite in bulk?

No -- this is Epson's ink, and they want you to pay for the expensive cartidges =) There are other pigment inks available though, such as the Magic Mix. You'll need to either find a Bulk Ink System (also known as a 'CIS') that can fit your printer, or alternatively you could try to find some refillable cartidges that fit it as well (NOT normal cartidges that you stick needles in - find carts MADE to be refilled).

I personally would not recommend using any dye-based ink, even if it's worked okay for some people; I would say it's not worth the risk. This may also depend on the type of designs printed - HP has a 'Vivera' ink set where the black ink IS pigmented, but the other colors are not.
 
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Hello, I have an HP 750 and am using a remaufactured ink from inkjets123.com. They are not that expensive but I have started having a problem with them running after a few washes or even after just one wash. I assume the bleeding is due to using the remanufactured ink instead of hp ink. The colors bleed worse than the black. I have a large order coming up this week-end and really am nervous about it, afraid that after one wash the inks will run. Any suggestions????? I need help here. I am using the Trans Jet II paper an HP750 printer. Printing on normal, and using a HIXX heat press for 20 seconds. We even go back over to absorb more moisture from the shirt for an additinal 3-6 second once the transfer is removed. We just started doing that. It seems to also make sure the image is lying down smoother on the garment.
So if anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it. We need all the help we can get here or our business won't get off the ground.
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Hello, I have an HP 750 and am using a remaufactured ink from inkjets123.com. They are not that expensive but I have started having a problem with them running after a few washes or even after just one wash. I assume the bleeding is due to using the remanufactured ink instead of hp ink.

I imagine the HP inks would bleed as well - they aren't pigmented. The cheap inks might be watered down though, and especially prone to bleed; I can't say for sure there.

I'd recommend using some variety of pigmented inks; either get a cheap Epson printer with Durabrite inks (you can get a C88+ for like $30 - $80 these days, depending on the deal/rebates/etc.; which covers the cost of the included ink anyway!), or try to find a bulk ink system that will fit your current HP printer and buying some 3rd party pigmented inks (e.g. Magic Mix).
 
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I have a C88 but the inks don't last as long and I have a color problem with them. The colors are not as bright and a yellowish green tint to them. The blacks are not black black like the HP inks. We are just atarting out and the cost is eating us up. I have a job to do this week-end and am worried about it bleeding. I have 50 to do and want to make sure that we do them right so that they will come back for more and more. We are looking at a possible 300 shirts in the near future.
Any suggestions with the c88 color problems? I am using Adobe photoshop 7.0
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I have a C88 but the inks don't last as long and I have a color problem with them. The colors are not as bright and a yellowish green tint to them.

Any suggestions with the c88 color problems?

Have you tried adjusting your color profile settings? The Durabrite inks tend to yellow a bit when heat is applied, but this can usually be fixed by changing how much of what colors are used. When printing, go into your advanced properties, and set Yellow to -15, Cyan to +5, and Magenta to +5. Transfer one with these settings and see how it looks; you may need to adjust it a bit more (some have needed to go -20 Yellow for example). This cured my yellowing woes fully.


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We are looking at a possible 300 shirts in the near future.

If you're doing that many, you might want to look at outsourcing to a screen printer, or at least using plastisol transfers. Unless you're doing a ton of different colors in the design, it will be both cheaper and higher quality this way.
 
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