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Old November 20th, 2009 Nov 20, 2009 2:14:27 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Hello, just got a 1400. Before trying the claria inks, which I understand work well for transfers, would like to know whether I could switch back to a pigment CIS. Thanks.
 
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Yes you can I used the ink that came with my 1400 and then went to pigment with no problems..
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Hello, just got a 1400. Before trying the claria inks, which I understand work well for transfers, would like to know whether I could switch back to a pigment CIS. Thanks.
I believe there is a flushing procedure to follow when switching inks, but if it's a brand new printer and you start with the CIS you should be good to go.
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Default Re: can you switch dye & pigment ink 1400

thanks, will try the oem inks, though I just read some post saying dye inks may not be too bad... There is always something new here, LOL, take care.
 
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Default Re: can you switch dye & pigment ink 1400

If some of claria CMYK ink is like the OEM CMYK for C88 or C120 you will find that the OEM will have color shifting when heated. Besides you are going to waste ink when switching back and forth due to print head recharging/flushing.
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You should go to inkjetcarts.com they have a lot of useful info
 
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Hello, just got a 1400. Before trying the claria inks, which I understand work well for transfers, would like to know whether I could switch back to a pigment CIS. Thanks.
as long as you use a clean kit to clean up old ink, you will be fine with the switch. ink republic does have an i-remove kit that may fit your need.

if you are using refillable cartridge or cis, make sure you dont want to share the same system, get an extra set of refill cartridge or cis damper like this


ask your provider to provide you one extra set. good luck!

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Default Re: can you switch dye & pigment ink 1400

With my 1400 every time I change the inks they get flushed out by the ink .

The ink cartriage sets on top of the printer head so soon as you hit the ink change and change the ink it will flush out what there was on the printer head .

Come on there is not that much ink on or in the heads..

just my two cents!!
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Yes you can I used the ink that came with my 1400 and then went to pigment with no problems..
I am interested in this...I have two 1400's one is for Dye sublimation and the other is really a back up for it..However i use the Epson inks that came with it for some transfers for cotton. I have been told that the standard Epson inks are fine for the transfers....However i always thought that pigment would be better since it is waterproof. I do not know which is best...If Pigment is the way to go...Who's ink should i use? and if i need to flush with a cleaner...how does that work and again..who should i use? thank you.
 
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Default Re: can you switch dye & pigment ink 1400

Agreed with Mr. David, and a I've asked the same question... and got the answer Mr. David gave most often.
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Default Re: can you switch dye & pigment ink 1400

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I am interested in this...I have two 1400's one is for Dye sublimation and the other is really a back up for it..
*If* I was to switch from dye sub ink to either Claria or another other inkjet dye or pigment ink, I most certainly would flush the printer. Without a doubt. Dye sub ink is a different animal altogther.


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However i use the Epson inks that came with it for some transfers for cotton. I have been told that the standard Epson inks are fine for the transfers....
Yeah, that was an interesting discovery. Quite a lot of folks here were having success with inkjet transfer papers and Claria and claria compatible inks. Jetpro Sofstretch (JPSS) was the main paper, but some folks use Claria type ink with dark papers. Not me, though, but I also haven't ventured out there to try that.

I don't really like the dark papers so I don't really use them anymore, that's the reason why.

The lights are fine and I use JPSS paper and with that paper, I have used Pigment ink, Claria ink and Canon regular photographic dye ink.

Claria is a hybrid ink. It is a water resistant dye, making it different from regular photographic dye ink (photographers/photographs are who and what these printers are designed for and around.)

The Claria is supposed to be a cross between pigment and dye, to give the photogs the water resistance of the pigment and the smoothness of the dye.

It works for alot of us, too!!


Pigment is the "go to" ink for heat transfers. Durabrite is the pigment to watch out for as it gives alot of troubles with color shifting under the heat of the press. Otherwise, pigment will work with the most varied amount papers... not that there are tons of papers, there mostly are a few papers, with a ton of different names attached to them!! LOL.

Claria and the compatibles are working for alot of folks. Not all, but to be fair, that pigment Durabrite doesn't work for "all" either!

You have a 1400, lucky you that you can try sample papers and press and wash them to see how they work out with your paper and blank shirt choices.

The blank will make a difference in your product as well!

Then there is regular photographic dye ink. Looks beautiful when pressed, fades when washed... EXCept for when using JPSS paper.

I've used regular dye ink with JPSS paper and after quite a few warm water washes, I decided to add bleach when I saw no fade, and still saw no fade. Got up around 11 or 12 washes and called it a day.

It wasn't fading.

That is a credit to the paper JPSS, because I have used other papers that have faded, even with pigment ink.

It's all in your product combination!! And you should test your choices together, on the shirt, and thru the washer, and dryer before you make your bulk purchases.

Just a word of wisdom after doing many tests and seeing "what" comes out of the washer.


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Who's ink should i use?
There are a few suppliers mentioned around here. I haven't bought from them, but there is certainly user feedback if you do a search for the company name on the forum.

inkjetcarts.us
inkjetfly.com
shopdyesub.com

...and there are others as well.

If you search the forum for "1400 ink" you'll likely return the bulk of the threads regarding your printer and ink.

You can also google for more suppliers. Use your printer model and generic ink or compatible ink.

I am going to go to inkjetcart.us after what I've read here and how happy people have been. Yes, true, there's a bad apple here and there, but to me, for the product happiness people share and the main majority of happy customers they have... I'm good with it.

Who you choose will be up to you in the end, and who you are comfortable with. They should be able to help you with installation, flushing the printer - if that's what you want and need to do - make sure they will be there for you, as installation of even the refill carts can be tricky.

Best wishes, and I'm sure Mr. David will be a long at some point to chime in... as your question was to him. I just was cruising by, so I dropped some info for you as well.
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