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Old October 24th, 2006 Oct 24, 2006 7:00:10 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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I need some advice. I contacted GOdaddy to register my domain name and they told me that i would get higher ranking for my website if i created a five year account with them. Is this true that search engines look for this when crawling your website? I am new to this biz and wanted to start with a one year contract, and i would then upgrade if i so choose.

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Old October 24th, 2006 Oct 24, 2006 8:12:24 PM -   #2 (permalink)
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B.S B.S. B.S. Rod can I say B. S. here. I have been doing this awhile and I have paid those so called services to get higher ranking... Nope.. nada.. ain't gonna happen.. save your money.. Just build your website the correct way. People wonder how I am able so many questions on this forum.. simple answer.. I made the mistakes before you and i am trying to save you from doing the same.. I don't know everything but I been around the block and tripped on the cracks a few times. Badalouism #5432225
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Old October 24th, 2006 Oct 24, 2006 8:26:37 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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Actually lou, you are incorrect.

It is true, but it is such a minor factor in your search ranking that it doesnt really matter.
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Old October 24th, 2006 Oct 24, 2006 8:54:14 PM -   #4 (permalink)
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Actually lou, you are incorrect.

It is true, but it is such a minor factor in your search ranking that it doesnt really matter.
Care to back that one up? I haven't see anything. Just curious.
 
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Old October 24th, 2006 Oct 24, 2006 11:27:06 PM -   #5 (permalink)
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Lou needs to re-read the original post, I think ;) He's not talking about a SEO service - which indeed, are often garbage, especially if their promises seem to good to be true. Instead, he's simply wondering if buying a domain for 5 years will make search engines like you better than buying for just 1 year.

I'm under the same impression that jdr is. It will help, but it is a very minor factor. I'd say go for it myself - You expect to still be running in 5 years right? =) I'm trying to think if I've ever seen this mentioned from a direct source (Google, Google employees) or just by other folks. Not sure.
 
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Old October 25th, 2006 Oct 25, 2006 7:52:59 AM -   #6 (permalink)
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I think it's sheer rubbish. I have never read anything about search engine bots checking contract lengths as a factor especially when you consider that there is no coding for it on any websites.

The only way I can imagine this working is if GoDaddy places some sort of coding on your page that connects them to your site, thus allowing you to ride their coattails, but as I've just made that factor up I don't believe it either.
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Old October 25th, 2006 Oct 25, 2006 8:57:04 AM -   #7 (permalink)
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I think it's sheer rubbish. I have never read anything about search engine bots checking contract lengths as a factor especially when you consider that there is no coding for it on any websites.

The only way I can imagine this working is if GoDaddy places some sort of coding on your page that connects them to your site, thus allowing you to ride their coattails, but as I've just made that factor up I don't believe it either.
I am doing search engine optimization and haven't heard this either. But I'm not that quick to rule it out anyway.

If I had a search engine and eager to show the most rewarding sites for the users, I would definitely consider this as an option. Not one of the most important parameters in the algorithm, quite the contrary, but I would probably have it there anyway.

From a technical point of view, it's not harder to get the info about a domain's expiry date than to get the site's code. All they have to do is a regular "whois" and index the result with the data they collect from the site itself.

The sensational thing here is not if the search engines are using this or not, IMHO. It's the fact that GoDaddy is using it as a sales argument. Because they have no idea about this at all and will never be able to back it up. So basically, they're lying. Which doesn't make me feel good as I'm one of their clients who are putting the bread on Bob Parson's table....

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Old October 25th, 2006 Oct 25, 2006 9:15:21 AM -   #8 (permalink)
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The length of the contract is a factor, however it is a VERY MINOR factor. The reason that it is a fact is that about 3-5 years ago, people would buy hundreds of websites to build link farms(very bad), knowing that they would be blacklisted withing 3-5 months, they did not bother to buy long term contracts. Thus Google, and the others came to teh conclusion that legitimate businesses would buy long term contracts. although it is a factor, it is a very very minor factor. Such a minor factor that it will in all liklihood not help you what so ever in the ranking of highly accessed keywords such at "t-shirts" "funny t-shirts" and the like.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/inte...ng-factors.htm

look at factor 36 and 37.
 
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I think it's sheer rubbish. I have never read anything about search engine bots checking contract lengths as a factor especially when you consider that there is no coding for it on any websites.

The only way I can imagine this working is if GoDaddy places some sort of coding on your page that connects them to your site, thus allowing you to ride their coattails, but as I've just made that factor up I don't believe it either.
Well, it is actually something that is very easy for a person (or search engine) to check. All that needs to be done is a quick whois lookup; you can use a site such as www.whois.sc, for example, to easily check when a domain will expire, when it was registered, etc.

The idea is that a domain that is registered for only 1-year is a little more likely to be a temporary site (most scam sites only get registered for 1 year) rather than one that will stay alive and keep going. As we've said, it likely is not a very big factor, but it probably does at least play a small role in the whole complicated algorithm.
 
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Old October 25th, 2006 Oct 25, 2006 9:41:38 AM -   #10 (permalink)
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look at factor 36 and 37.
They refer to the age of the site, not the duration of the contract.


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Well, it is actually something that is very easy for a person (or search engine) to check. All that needs to be done is a quick whois lookup; you can use a site such as www.whois.sc, for example, to easily check when a domain will expire, when it was registered, etc.

The idea is that a domain that is registered for only 1-year is a little more likely to be a temporary site (most scam sites only get registered for 1 year) rather than one that will stay alive and keep going. As we've said, it likely is not a very big factor, but it probably does at least play a small role in the whole complicated algorithm.
While I see the logic behind all of this, I also have to question why organizations that offer ways to get better rankings never suggest signing longer contracts.
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The length of the contract is a factor, however it is a VERY MINOR factor. The reason that it is a fact is that about 3-5 years ago, people would buy hundreds of websites to build link farms(very bad), knowing that they would be blacklisted withing 3-5 months, they did not bother to buy long term contracts. Thus Google, and the others came to teh conclusion that legitimate businesses would buy long term contracts. although it is a factor, it is a very very minor factor. Such a minor factor that it will in all liklihood not help you what so ever in the ranking of highly accessed keywords such at "t-shirts" "funny t-shirts" and the like.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/inte...ng-factors.htm

look at factor 36 and 37.
Hi,

Just want to point out that you are talking about how long time a domain has been existing up to date. As is the page you're linking to. That is known and regarded as an extablished factor.

But this is about the future expiry date, which is another story even if it very well could be a parameter too.

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Old October 25th, 2006 Oct 25, 2006 9:54:46 AM -   #12 (permalink)
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I had the same initial reaction that Lou did until I read jdr's response and reread the initial post.

It's true that Google has considered domain name registration length as a minor indicator of a site's trustworthiness.

Read this thread at webmasterworld:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/28814.htm

Which links to this Patent filed by google.

Which has this text which talks about some of the "signs of quality" that Google may use to help determine the relevancy of results:

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Certain signals may be used to distinguish between illegitimate and legitimate domains. For example, domains can be renewed up to a period of 10 years. Valuable (legitimate) domains are often paid for several years in advance, while doorway (illegitimate) domains rarely are used for more than a year. Therefore, the date when a domain expires in the future can be used as a factor in predicting the legitimacy of a domain and, thus, the documents associated therewith.
Again, it's probably a minor factor, but it doesn't hurt to register your domain for several years in advance. One of the biggest benefits of this isn't searche ngine rankings, but the peace of mind knowing that your domain won't expire next year when you switch email addresses or forget to renew. LOTS of domains are lost by accident this way, so in my opinion, it's a good idea to register your domains for at least a few years in advance to make sure you don't lose it.
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In the long run, isnt it cheaper as well?
 
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Rodney for the win. I concede.

Time to go set up a long term contract.
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Just remember that you don't need a long term "contract" with your webhost, but it might help to have just your domain name renewed for years in advance.

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Some places offer discounts for multiple year domain registrations, but I get the same low yearly fee for my registrations whether it's 1 year or 10.
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