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sunnydayz · March 31st, 2009

You know what Bob, I did see somewhere that someone had posted what amount of stones it would take to reach the level of the test. I think it was some number like 500 or something. I will look for it and come back here and post a link to it.

sunnydayz · March 31st, 2009

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	so even small and home based business will be in the heat after this law?

From my reading of the law, absolutely. I am really paying attention to this, as my main business is childrens clothing, and I am seriously considering changing the direction of my business. But as far as I can tell at this point, any small business is directly affected by this law, that makes products intended for children under 12.

GraduateClothing · March 31st, 2009

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Originally Posted by sunnydayz


	From my reading of the law, absolutely. I am really paying attention to this, as my main business is childrens clothing, and I am seriously considering changing the direction of my business. But as far as I can tell at this point, any small business is directly affected by this law, that makes products intended for children under 12.

Thanks, i guess i have to make sure none of my designs are on childrens clothes.

bob emb · April 1st, 2009

Hi Bobbie Lee,

Thanks for the response . If you are doing chilldrens designs I guess it will affect you the most. Hopefully you will be able to use those childrens contacts and turn them into adult business. If you do find anything out about the lead contact or percent please post it.

Best Regards,

Bob

sunnydayz · April 2nd, 2009

Bob, I tried to find the article I had found about how many rhinestones it takes to reach the lead limit, but cant find that one. I did find this article written by Rhinestone Guy Lead Content in Rhinestones. He gives some great info on how the law effects rhinestones. I will continue to look for the other article though.

Dan did you find out how that rally in DC went? Did you go to it? Thanks

GraduateClothing · April 2nd, 2009

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	Dan did you find out how that rally in DC went? Did you go to it? Thanks

Im would like to know aswell.

perrolocodesigns · April 3rd, 2009

While not directly related to garments, the statement today from CPSC Chairman Nancy Nord is a nice little "poke in the eye" to Congress. This made me laugh out loud.

http://www.cpsc.gov/pr/nord040309exclusions.pdf

Enjoy.

bob emb · April 6th, 2009

hI bOBBIE lEE,

Thanks for the article, very informative. I personally will not offer any childrens items. It will not effect me that much. Hope you can work around the situation. If you need anything let me know, you have always been helpful.

Best Regards,

Bob

GraduateClothing · April 7th, 2009

yeah im just going to pull all childrens products, safest bet.

the boss · April 7th, 2009

Stop jumping ship I was with a lawyer friend and in his words forget it as long as the products are tested by the manufacture the end users of those products are carried like if your shirts are passed and your inks are passed then you good all we do is take their products and doctor them up there grandfathered in. For me I will continue to see kids stuff and not worry I already make sure that my raw meterals are kid safe.

Vinny (THE BOSS)

dg10m · April 7th, 2009

For what it's worth, I have a friend that is involved in politics and he told me something similar to what The Boss's attorney friend told him. If the manufacturer tests the products and we are simply combining these elements, we should be safe.
The fact that it has been pushed back a year indicates that there are probably flaws in the law and there will likely be changes to it. As always with our politicians, rather than look for a logical solution to a problem, they just take it to the opposite extreme! He did recommend that all involved should really get on the politicians and let them know that we can protect the children without destroying their parents businesses. No politician right now will want to be associated with bringing down small businesses. Also, let them know that you know who they are and how they choose to vote.
Anyway, I'm going to keep plugging along for now. Good luck all.

the boss · April 7th, 2009

With keeping in mind that fear will hurt us all if one person stops doing business because they feel sceard that chatchs on and in will hurt all of us in the business. We compete for the same clients but I want a leval playing feild I really dont want to make money at your loss there is enough for everybody so just keep on doing what your doing and have faith in the end everything alway works the way is should good or bad.

Vinny (THE BOSS)

sunnydayz · April 7th, 2009

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Originally Posted by the boss


	Stop jumping ship I was with a lawyer friend and in his words forget it as long as the products are tested by the manufacture the end users of those products are carried like if your shirts are passed and your inks are passed then you good all we do is take their products and doctor them up there grandfathered in. For me I will continue to see kids stuff and not worry I already make sure that my raw meterals are kid safe. Vinny (THE BOSS)

If you read the way the law is written, this is simply not true. It would be nice if we could depend on the certificates from the manufactures, but the way the law is written, it states that third party testing must be done, that is us

Once we add the products together, they are no longer the same, so new testing is required by the law, unfortunately that is how it is written now. I agree that it should not be this way, but for now that is the way it is written.

I am hoping that they rewrite the law, as the way it stands it is way to broad, and incorporates way too many products that should not be included. Hopefully during this stay, they will fix it. Included right now are all products for children under 12. So it does not matter what your products are made of, or how kid friendly they are. That is one of the flaws of the way it is written now. It should state any product containing lead or phalates should be tested, not all products in general. Right now though it includes any product, not only products containing lead or phalates.

The trick with writing it for products with lead and phalates, is that you would have to test your products to prove they are not included in your product, and I think that is what led them to write the law the way they did.

the boss · April 7th, 2009

I guess its all in the way you interpt the writing of the law true it is way too broad but if you really break it down you can interp it as if the tee shirt manufacture passed the test and the vinyl passed the test and the ink passed the test and we take those 3 componants and put them togather there all tested and passed like everything else our government puts out there in the end it really doesent matter some court some were is going to change it so why put any stock in a so called law that is never going to come to pass when they do finally get it right most of us will be retired and even then someone will challange that law I talked with my friend who is a corp lawyer and he keeps telling me just keep doing what im doing all were hearing if nothing but fluff a feel good law(statement) with no teeth.

Vinny (THE BOSS)

PrintMonkey · April 7th, 2009

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Originally Posted by the boss


	I guess its all in the way you interpt the writing of the law true it is way too broad but if you really break it down you can interp it as if the tee shirt manufacture passed the test and the vinyl passed the test and the ink passed the test and we take those 3 components and put them together there all tested and passed like everything else our government puts out there in the end it really doesent matter some court some were is going to change it so why put any stock in a so called law that is never going to come to pass when they do finally get it right most of us will be retired and even then someone will challange that law I talked with my friend who is a corp lawyer and he keeps telling me just keep doing what im doing all were hearing if nothing but fluff a feel good law(statement) with no teeth. Vinny (THE BOSS)

Right now component testing is not allowed by law.

Has your lawyer read this law?
Will he pay the $100,000+ fine and go to prison for 6 years for you (It is a felony).
(One of Rite Aid/Longs toy dist just got ding for having Valentine Toys with too much lead)

Also the law gives great power to state AG offices.

Attorney General: Attorney General Praises Decision Blocking Manufacturers From Allowing Sale Of Toxic Toys

And the scary part is that any private activist and lawyer groups can shop potential cases to the AGs' office and in turn are made monetary beneficiaries of resulting fines.
See Rite Aid above.
CEH - Valentine's Day Toys Found with High Levels of Lead
Apple iPhone: environmentalists pile on
CPSIA: What will be enforced?

Have not even mentioned the new label and tracking law that will go effect in August.

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