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Old August 4th, 2008 Aug 4, 2008 1:40:59 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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This might not be the exact place to put this so correct me if im wrong. Some designs my freind and I have come up with are going to have to be done with all over printing. I looked at some of the companies listed on here and most of them you can submit a design from what I saw. I guess im just concerned about legalities. For those of you doing all over printing, can you just submit a design you created and they print them on shirts for you and you just sell them to the customer? Even with our heat transfer images we've created, just have our images printed out, transfer them to the shirt and sell it? My friend and I are in the process of getting all the info we'll need together and were just trying to figure out how to get all the printing done without running into legal trouble. All of our designs are custom made by us. I just want to make sure to follow the right procedure.
 
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where's the legal question at ?
 
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Old August 4th, 2008 Aug 4, 2008 4:18:03 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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Can you explain what specifically you think would cause a legal issue with sending a design to a printer to get printed up?
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well if i send my design to the printer and then sold the shirts for my profit, would the printer have to put their company name because they printed it? I saw some results from heat transfer shirts and the company that printed the transfer paper put their name on it. It may have been their design though, im not sure.
 
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well if i send my design to the printer and then sold the shirts for my profit, would the printer have to put their company name because they printed it? I saw some results from heat transfer shirts and the company that printed the transfer paper put their name on it. It may have been their design though, im not sure.
Yeah, anytime you see the heat transfer companies name on it, it is one of their designs.

If they print your design for you, their name will not be printed.
 
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Yeah, anytime you see the heat transfer companies name on it, it is one of their designs.

If they print your design for you, their name will not be printed.
Thats what I thought but I wanted to be sure. I emailed a company to get all over printing pricing and more information about it. Does anyone have any ballpark ideas on what that costs? I thought I read most places require at least a 144 piece minimum.
 
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well if i send my design to the printer and then sold the shirts for my profit, would the printer have to put their company name because they printed it? I saw some results from heat transfer shirts and the company that printed the transfer paper put their name on it. It may have been their design though, I'm not sure.
That would be what we call a stock design. They own the rights. If you have a design then you simply send it to one of the printers that most of us use and have the design printed for you. It is yours. period. You press on shirts and sell. Bingo.. it is that easy. No legal issues unless the design is taken from another source and you were not the originator of it. Lou
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I emailed a company to get all over printing pricing and more information about it. Does anyone have any ballpark ideas on what that costs? I thought I read most places require at least a 144 piece minimum.
Ballpark is "pretty expensive" (since it's a complicated process). Like around $12+ per shirt.
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Is your post two separate questions; one about transfers and one about all over printing? Or are you asking if transfers can be used for all over printing?

One method to doing all over printing is to use transfers. It helps if your design is such that two (or more) transfers could be pieced together.
 
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Is your post two separate questions; one about transfers and one about all over printing? Or are you asking if transfers can be used for all over printing?

One method to doing all over printing is to use transfers. It helps if your design is such that two (or more) transfers could be pieced together.
Well since i originally posted I understand a little better on how both methods work. I didnt know that you could piece together transfers to create that all over printing look, thanks for that info.
Im clear about the legality issue, thanks everyone for that info also!
Im still waiting for a response to my email i sent to the company about all over printing. When they say 144 piece minimum, is that per design or total sale? Like could I have 12 different designs sent to them and have 12 shirts printed for each? Or is it 1 design, 144 piece minimum bottom line?
 
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Well since i originally posted I understand a little better on how both methods work. I didnt know that you could piece together transfers to create that all over printing look, thanks for that info.
Im clear about the legality issue, thanks everyone for that info also!
Im still waiting for a response to my email i sent to the company about all over printing. When they say 144 piece minimum, is that per design or total sale? Like could I have 12 different designs sent to them and have 12 shirts printed for each? Or is it 1 design, 144 piece minimum bottom line?
The minimums are per DESIGN, not per order.

There's no way to get an all over print screenprinted design done for only 12 pieces. The setup process is much to expensive and time consuming for printer to just run 12 pieces. It wouldn't make business sense for them and you.

Because of the way screen printing works, the more t-shirts you print PER DESIGN, the better the screen printer can recoup the costs of burning films, setting up screens, setting up the presses for your t-shirt design. So the more you run PER DESIGN, the better discounts they can extend to you.
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The minimums are per DESIGN, not per order.

There's no way to get an all over print screenprinted design done for only 12 pieces. The setup process is much to expensive and time consuming for printer to just run 12 pieces. It wouldn't make business sense for them and you.

Because of the way screen printing works, the more t-shirts you print PER DESIGN, the better the screen printer can recoup the costs of burning films, setting up screens, setting up the presses for your t-shirt design. So the more you run PER DESIGN, the better discounts they can extend to you.
Cool, got it thanks! And thank you everyone for your input.
 
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While it's possible to make an all-over print using heat transfers, that means you're stuck using either digital transfers, or plastisol - neither of which is usually used in a professional all-over print, as they're too stiff.
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If you like that discharged/waterbase look you could achieve that with dye sublimation and do an allover look in the process. It would also be much cheaper if you are doing small runs but you will have to print them on t-shirts with at least 30% polyester content.

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If you like that discharged/waterbase look you could achieve that with dye sublimation and do an allover look in the process. It would also be much cheaper if you are doing small runs but you will have to print them on t-shirts with at least 30% polyester content.

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Really, it only needs 30% poly content? I thought it needed much more to hold the colors?
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