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Old October 30th, 2007 Oct 30, 2007 7:48:52 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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I keep having my needle break when sewing on constructed caps. Is this common? Any suggestions? Constructed caps seem to be harder to sew on than unconstructed caps...
 
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Old October 30th, 2007 Oct 30, 2007 8:24:21 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Needle breaks on constructed caps...

1) Try to decrease the stitch density or increase the minimum stitch length. In some digitizing softwares, you can also apply a "cap" style, which adjusts some common parameters for cap embroidery.
2) Or lower you stitching speed
3) try the stitching the design first on a regular flat fabric, and see if you still get those thread breaks
4) You can also check and clean the rotary hook, and adjust the tension of the underthread
5) when all else fails, contact your technician and see if you need to adjust the timing of the machine
 
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Old October 30th, 2007 Oct 30, 2007 8:28:29 AM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Needle breaks on constructed caps...

Try a sharper needle and slow down the machine just because the manufacture says it can sew at 1000 or even 1200 spm that is not always true.
 
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Old October 30th, 2007 Oct 30, 2007 12:16:24 PM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Needle breaks on constructed caps...

I just discovered that for some reason my needles are getting thrown off and slamming into the metal which is causing the needles to break. Any suggestions on why that may be? I was able to sew on an unconstructed non-profile hat just fine. Please help...
 
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Default Re: Needle breaks on constructed caps...

Is there some sort of a "cap mode" setting in your machine?
 
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Old October 30th, 2007 Oct 30, 2007 7:23:05 PM -   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Needle breaks on constructed caps...

Here is what you need to do.
  • sew caps with sharp point needles, use an 11/75 or 12/80 titanium coated needle
  • make sure you are using your cap needle plate
  • make sure you have set your machine to caps
  • slow your speed down. we sew constructed 6 panel caps at 500SPM or less if we get needle breaks or thread breaks
  • use 2 or 3 layers of stabilizer or, take a standard 20lb copy paper, fold it 3 ways and use it
Keep in mind you are sewing a 3D image on a 3D garment in a very small space, typically 2.25" or less for height.

This should solve your problem.
 
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Default Re: Needle breaks on constructed caps...

Your needle is not clearing the hat when it comes up and then starts it's way down, it gets caught in the hat and and the minor movement in the design is snaping the needle. drives you crazy huh?. Try pushing down on the hat down before you start sewing, sometimes you can get the design started and you'll be OK, you may also adjust your presser foot a little lower to push the hat down before the needle starts sewing or you could choose not to do structured hats they're not worth the trouble sometimes
 
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Old October 31st, 2007 Oct 31, 2007 5:25:40 AM -   #8 (permalink)
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Default Re: Needle breaks on constructed caps...

Thanks guys I appericiate the help.
 
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Old November 1st, 2007 Nov 1, 2007 5:24:57 PM -   #9 (permalink)
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Default Re: Needle breaks on constructed caps...

If you're still having trouble, start the design just off center so you avoid the seam.
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Default Re: Needle breaks on constructed caps...

All good suggestions. I agree that slowing down to 500 spm is proably the biggest help. We are picky about whose constructed caps we use. Some just do not seem to fit our forms as well. Try a different cap style and you may see better results. We also apply pressure from below by holding the back edges of the cap and pulling down before we close the hat device. By the way, be sure to open the back of the cap if it has a buckle or strap. This can help it lay flat.

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Old November 2nd, 2007 Nov 2, 2007 5:35:26 AM -   #11 (permalink)
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I am still having trouble. I can sew the logo which is right on the seem but when I go to sew the company name below the logo the needle breaks on the first stitch every time. I've tried all of the suggestions and I still get the same results. I think it's the hat. Have ya'll ever had to refuse to do a certain type of hat before?
 
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Default Re: Needle breaks on constructed caps...

YES! It's best to keep a list of styles that fit your frames & try to promote those.

Have you tried starting the design further away from the brim (raising it on the hat)? Be carefull if its a "tall" design or you may create other problems.
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Default Re: Needle breaks on constructed caps...

Raise the logo up a little bit. On the SWF the hat frame as about a 2" plate on it to hold the hat flat. When we go below that I can hear the needle deflecting.

Also, when you frame the cap, flatten the front of the cap by pulling the bill back toward the top of the cap and bending it straight if it is curved.

Go to a bigger needle. You didn't say what size you were using. Did you get the 12/80 sharp titanium coated?

If all else fails, outsource the the job to another embroiderer so you can keep your customer.
 
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Old November 13th, 2007 Nov 13, 2007 7:58:49 PM -   #14 (permalink)
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Default Re: Needle breaks on constructed caps...

Try changing your sewing order and stitch the wording on the bottom first. I always start at the bottom and work my way up to keep the hat/stabilizer from buckling at the bottom when I am putting a thick logo in the center. I always use 75/11 rp needles unless I am doing 3d I use sharps.
 
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Well I ended up just out sourcing the job and they we're able to sew out the hats. They did said that the type of hats were the worst that they've ever worked with.
 
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