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Old October 9th, 2009 Oct 9, 2009 10:40:10 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default D120 CISS Mug Printing Newbie

Hey guys,

Just bought a D120 CISS system and mug press. Think I'm doing pretty well so far but may have a couple of problems that someone could help with.

I use photoshop and I've installed the Rotech ICC Profile. THe possible problem I have though is with the process within photoshop. I've printed several designs etc. but the colours are not very strong on some of them when printed on the paper. Its as though they are duller then what they look like on the screen. Are there things I should do to get it printing better? What quality of print should it be set to, Photo? Paper types etc.?

Thanks in advance for any help.

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Can anyone help me out here or point me in the right direction please
 
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Default Re: D120 CISS Mug Printing Newbie

I print from PS also but use Artainium inks. You can't judge until you press. The colors that appear on the paper bear little relation to finished product.
With the Artainium system..we use PLAIN PAPER setting. I have printed both at 720 and 1440 dpi and the same color profile and gotten excellent color match.
Get some poly fabric and press - to check the color match..don't go by image on paper.

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Default Re: D120 CISS Mug Printing Newbie

Thanks Leo!

I seem to be having good results at the minute but struggling a little to get solid black colours on the mugs, is this normal?

In Photoshop, I have the canvas set as rgb, do I need to do anything with the icc profile, i don't know alot about icc's just not sure what happens.

Thanks again Leo,

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btw, are there any useful links for any good templates / designs?
 
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YES- RGB
1) did you install the icc profile in the proper location?
2) have you checked your color in the file w/ the eyedropper to make sure it's 0-0-0.
3) use print with preview and make sure to select your icc profile from the drop down menu.
4) are there lines through the black or just not a good enough black.. like eggplant color?

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YES- RGB
1) did you install the icc profile in the proper location?
2) have you checked your color in the file w/ the eyedropper to make sure it's 0-0-0.
3) use print with preview and make sure to select your icc profile from the drop down menu.
4) are there lines through the black or just not a good enough black.. like eggplant color?

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Hi Leo,

I use Vista 64 Bit so search on Google for installation instructions (Right click, Install). As far as I'm aware its installed ok.
Yes the colours are 0-0-0, and its actually the same if I use a navy blue.
Print with preview and the Rotech ICC Profile is selected.
Black is just not black enough if that makes sense, its as though it is more like a really really dark grey.

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Default Re: D120 CISS Mug Printing Newbie

Just had a though guys,

When I go file > print in photoshop, if I click page setup to get the printer settings up, then advanced, Under the Colour Controls, there is EPSON Vivid or Adobe RGB. Should there not be the Rotech one there aswell?

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..not black enough on the paper or on substrate? It's said that black is the last color to sublimate... so try extending the time a bit and make SURE your temp is up to 400*.
What items are you sublimating?
With Artainium... I used to get an eggplant black...until I got the icc profile corrected.
** the rotech profile does appear in the printer space drop down menu ?
** I'm puzzled as to WHY dark blue would appear as 0-0-0 as well.. should not.
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Default Re: D120 CISS Mug Printing Newbie

Use Print with Preview.

I suspect the icc profile is not installed in the right folder...

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..not black enough on the paper or on substrate? It's said that black is the last color to sublimate... so try extending the time a bit and make SURE your temp is up to 400*.
What items are you sublimating?
With Artainium... I used to get an eggplant black...until I got the icc profile corrected.
** the rotech profile does appear in the printer space drop down menu ?
** I'm puzzled as to WHY dark blue would appear as 0-0-0 as well.. should not.
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Leo,

If I go file > print in photoshop, the Rotech ICC profile is there, but not if I click page setup > advanced > colour control (i dont think this is a problem though actually).
No Navy Blue is also eggplant for some reason, the final print on the paper looks a little eggplant aswell, and also when its transfered onto the mugs. I have the temp settings on my press at 200 celsius (392 degrees fahrenheit) and press it for 150 seconds.

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Default Re: D120 CISS Mug Printing Newbie

Go here:
Windows\system32\spool\drivers\color

scroll down and check to make sure your Rotech profile is listed there...if not INSTALL it there.

Then in Photoshop... PRINT WITH PREVIEW and make sure in PRINT SPACE that you scroll down list of profiles and SELECT the Rotech profile.

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Go here:
Windows\system32\spool\drivers\color

scroll down and check to make sure your Rotech profile is listed there...if not INSTALL it there.

Then in Photoshop... PRINT WITH PREVIEW and make sure in PRINT SPACE that you scroll down list of profiles and SELECT the Rotech profile.

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Yep its installed in there.

I dont have print with preview, i use CS4 but these are the settings i have:





And then if I click on page setup I get:

 
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I believe you have to DISABLE COLOR CONTROLS..under COLOR HANDLING.

You DO NOT want PS to manage the colors... you want the PROFILE to control.

Also check your actual temp on mug press with a heat gun...many mug presses don't achieve nor maintain 400*...uniformly. LEO
 
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I believe you have to DISABLE COLOR CONTROLS..under COLOR HANDLING.

You DO NOT want PS to manage the colors... you want the PROFILE to control.

Also check your actual temp on mug press with a heat gun...many mug presses don't achieve nor maintain 400*...uniformly. LEO
Now I'm totally lost. Where would I do that?

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Default Re: D120 CISS Mug Printing Newbie

you might get help reading this: starting at page 32.


even though this is not your ink brand.

Also go to printers and faxes and under PROPERTIES/COLOR MANAGEMENT... make sure that your Rotech profile is listed there as default.

Your ink supplier should have given you complete installation directions.
Sorry... that's all I can think of... I use earlier PS version and an Epson 3000... so our setting are different but the concept should be similar.

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