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Old May 21st, 2009 May 21, 2009 10:39:28 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Sublimation transfer / Vinyl surface?

I was wondering if I can transfer the sublimation dye printed results on vinyl surfaced objects like these doll heads?:::...


Then I'm thinking of using this WALNUT HOLLOW heat tool to heat transfer the result to the vinyl surface:
26032, CREATIVE TEXTILE TOOL
It heats up to 750 fahrenheit...

do you think this process would work with the vinyl surface and
do you think that 750 fahrenheit is a good enough heat
for the sublimation dye to transfer or too much?

will the sublimation printers sold in the market work for this method
and are there any that print white or atleast print light shades of grey,blue etc to imitate/replace white?...


any ideas how I could transfer any technique to those heads would be useful,(that would not include results left with decal paper in-between)


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Default Re: Sublimation transfer / Vinyl surface?

I have been in sublimation for over 8 years and you cannot dye sub to any surface that is not polymer coated or 100% polyester...so all other questions are moot...But if you do find it....temp should not be more than 400 F.
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I have been in sublimation for over 8 years and you cannot dye sub to any surface that is not polymer coated or 100% polyester...so all other questions are moot...But if you do find it....temp should not be more than 400 F.
I know I've been reading about this while an equipment shop keeps reassuring me that if I buy a sublimation printer that also has a toner machine that lays the white toner layer underneath where the sublimation dye is place then it will be transfered onto the vinyl surface with no problem...the shop does have samples of sublimation dye transfer onto vinyl so maybe this will work...but I really have my doubts about this...

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Another idea to explore, is to try printing onto sublimation vinyl which has an adhesive backing for use on darker garments. Can't guarantee what results you'll end up with, but we all learn from experimenting with new ideas and concepts.
 
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Another idea to explore, is to try printing onto sublimation vinyl which has an adhesive backing for use on darker garments. Can't guarantee what results you'll end up with, but we all learn from experimenting with new ideas and concepts.

thank you for the reply,
actually the material these heads are made of is really similar to a mousepad so I think I'll try to get some screen printings or any printables they use on mousepads but my problem is how I'm going to heat transfer these to the heads and get a smooth result....this mini iron tool would be perfect in size but 700 F is too much when most transfer require no more than 400 F...So I gotta figure out the way to transfer these...
 
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Default Re: Sublimation transfer / Vinyl surface?

Try a regular travel iron. They have a small(ish) footprint, cheap to buy, have a more suitable temperature range and if it doesn't work out, you still have a useful item to take on holidays with you.

Every option is worth a try, if you can keep your experiment costs low.
 
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Try a regular travel iron. They have a small(ish) footprint, cheap to buy, have a more suitable temperature range and if it doesn't work out, you still have a useful item to take on holidays with you.

Every option is worth a try, if you can keep your experiment costs low.
thank you,
looking deeper into it I came across these mini irons by Clover:
Clover - General Crafts, Mini Irons
but I read somewhere they only heat up to 240 F,
...I was wondering how precise I should be with the heat,pressure and time companies recommend for the heat-transfer printables they offer?..what happens if I press too hard,too long,less heat?

also which are the best method in custom order printables(any type) that I could transfer to these mousepad-like vinyl surfaces which will be full-color(white included) and not have extra borders around the design(I won't have to cut around the design,only design will heat-transfer to surface)..Also any recommendations for on-line shops that offer such services?

so many questions,I'm sorry I'm a newbie!>__<;;;
 
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Default Re: Sublimation transfer / Vinyl surface?

You can control the temperature and time, but having accurate control of pressure using hand applied tools, will be a little more difficult and something you'll only acquire with practice.

Generally sublimation works at around 190C with a heating time of around 40-60 seconds, but it will be a case of trial and error with what you are attempting.
 
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I found the perfect tool that has 3 levels:

LOW Approx. 220 fahrenheit /104 celcius
MIDDLE Approx. 390 fahrenheit / 198 celcius
HIGH Approx 560 fahrenheit / 293 celcius

and found out that these head material are actually NOT vinyl but rather Silicone(silicone rubber/silicone resin)
 
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