DREAMGLASS

Thanks for the clarification David. I am sure a lot of people reading this thread would be a little confused by the Forever videos.

Inkjet sublimation mugs tend to be expensive when compared with other types of printable mugs, but the outstanding print quality makes them well worth the extra expense.

** Special dye sublimation ink in printer, onto coated sublimation mugs. Wish pigment ink did work.**

 

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Conde_David

Using the Forever paper, you will print with a color laser printer not inkjet using Normal toners.

I am in love with sublimation for hard substrates. I have had limited success with transfer papers onto
hard substrates.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Conde_David The Forever folks are referring to normal toners. The mugs still need to be coated but with a softer coating. You press then place the mug in a glazing unit that bakes the toner into the coating.

Thanks David. What sort of softer coating could this be? I understand also that Conde sells the Multi-Trans transfer papers from Forever. Are you having limited success with the Multi-trans on hard substrates?

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BBDee

My wife and I have been using Dye-Sub. for about 12 years. We tried all most every new thing that came out. But for hard surfaces, Dye-Sub gives the best image, plus being easy and quick makes up for the cost. If you have a epson use it. But I learned if you plan on doing a lot of printing get a 4000 or 4800. But we also found that if you do not us it often, run a print or two every week. this helps avoid clogging, and other problems. I learned that form David G. An trust me he knows Dye-Sub. I whould have given up years ago if knot for him.

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marcelolopez

Thank you all guys for all the help, I am going to switch to sublimation, now I just have to decide what brand of ink (if there is more than one ) and CIS I have to get.
How many of you prefer ink in bags rather than the plastic bottles, what is the advantage/con of each?

 

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BoydRiver

There is a CIS using bags?
I have not heard of this before now.
How does this work please?
What known suppliers of a bag system are there, especially in/for the U.K.

 

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DREAMGLASS

Quote: Originally Posted by marcelolopez Thank you all guys for all the help, I am going to switch to sublimation, now I just have to decide what brand of ink (if there is more than one ).

The 'patent' for all sublimation ink used in small format printers is owned by a company called Sawgrass. Sadly you have no choice, nor any variant in prices.

 

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BoydRiver

Quote: Originally Posted by DREAMGLASS The 'patent' for all sublimation ink used in small format printers is owned by a company called Sawgrass. Sadly you have no choice, nor any variant in prices.

I'm sorry but I don't think that's quite true.
I know loads of people buying sub ink that is definately not sawgrass and is one hell of a lot cheaper.

 

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DREAMGLASS

Sawgrass have been known to go through the listings on EBay UK and get them to remove printers with sublimation ink in the systems, unless it can be proved that it is Sawgrass ink in them. That has even applied to people selling their own used printers privately.

Sawgrass regularly takes legal action against anyone attempting to sell sublimation ink used in small format printers. If you do find an alternative source, it is best to keep quiet about it.

 

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BoydRiver

Ok, I won't tell anyone about the tons of cheap non sawgrass sublimation ink being imported into the UK from china by some people

 

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DREAMGLASS

It is no secret that sublimation ink from China and other far east countries is distributed on a worldwide basis. There is little that Sawgrass can do against its manufacture in countries where they have no legal powers. However what they can actively do, is to take direct legal action against anyone in other countries, attempting to sell it.

You will find many posts on the Sawgrass 'patent' in these forums. Their monopoly of the small format sublimation ink market is not particularly well received.

 

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BoydRiver

which takes me back to my first point will, sawgrass do not have a worldwide patent.
Of course, I don't know if the chinese stuff is any good as I have not bought any and I don't as yet have a subli syste.
I did take possession of a brand new R285 yesterday as a first step in trying dye sub after reading this thread. I think I'll keep the oki laser though as it must be good for something ?

 

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catreid

I just started using laser transfer for mugs. The color is not bad but the paper seems to be creasing when I put the mug in the press creating a flaw in the image that has been transfered. I'm using the new magic touch for hard goods. I have a feeling it has to with the pressure. Does anyone have any suggestions?

 

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marcelolopez

Quote: Originally Posted by catreid I just started using laser transfer for mugs. The color is not bad but the paper seems to be creasing when I put the mug in the press creating a flaw in the image that has been transfered. I'm using the new magic touch for hard goods. I have a feeling it has to with the pressure. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Sadly my suggestion would be go with sublimation. It is from my own experience. I trashed a whole box of 36 mugs, still have another 36 pcs stored.
I just started using sublimation and the results are completely different. You can print wonderful photos and they look really nice.
I know there is a lot of people using laser mugs with good results, it just didn't work with me.

 

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marcelolopez

Quote: Originally Posted by BoydRiver There is a CIS using bags? I have not heard of this before now. How does this work please? What known suppliers of a bag system are there, especially in/for the U.K.

Here in the USA Coastal Business have sub ink in bags, among many others I don't remember now.
Check the section sub ink, and you will find it.
I think they ship to other countries too.

 

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