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gorgall · July 3rd, 2008

Just received some vinyl from the first link it is actually marked on the backing paper "FOREVER SUBLI-DARK TEXTILE TRANSFER PAPER FOR SUBLIMATION INKS. Will let you know results when I've tried it.

DREAMGLASS · July 3rd, 2008

Hi. Thanks for that. Sure there'll be a lot of folks on here interested in what results you get from this product. It would certainly be a breakthrough if it allows sublimation users to print on cottons and darks.

The REAL test will being how it survives a normal 40 degree wash cycle. Despite any guidelines to the contrary, I NEVER turn my garments inside out on the wash cycle, as that's not what folks do in the REAL world. Likewise I also put items in a tumble dryer with other washing when testing out products. If they don't survive that, they won't last long in the hands of the purchaser and you'd ultimately end up will some very upset customers. Not good for future business.!!

EkkoGraphics · July 3rd, 2008

Gordon...you won't like the hand! If you do, I got a few sheets that I will sell you.

DAGuide · July 3rd, 2008

It definitely has a thicker hand then some of the other dark transfer paper. For now, the best sublimation transfers are done on light shirts. Hopefully that will change in the future.

gorgall · July 4th, 2008

Was annoyed to see it listed as vinyl

The only good thing is that I have wanted to try subli dark but did not want to buy a whole box.
Trying it today.

DREAMGLASS · July 4th, 2008

Hi Gordon. I'm not totally sure whether the ordinary inkjet transfers for dark are actually made from some sort of vinyl material?

Main difference with these sublimation ones I am assuming, is that the image is laid face down on the material and the sublimation ink rises to the surface? If that is the case, it should have a significant difference on the way that they perform. Would give us sublimation guys the opportunity to offer dark garments if it does.

gorgall · July 7th, 2008

Still experimenting, not overly keen on the hand, but it's better than the transfer on my son's "Official" Dr Who pyjamas.

mikalopa · July 8th, 2008

oh i cant wait to c the results!!!!!!!!!!

chonkymonky · July 15th, 2008

hey guys...any word on that Forever subli-dark? how does it hold up to washings? i have an order coming up and i really need a good transfer paper for dark shirts..that work well with sublimation inks.

scootissimo · July 15th, 2008

I know where you are coming from Will, it seems any of us outside the US are way behind the trends in this field, the papers and systems are just not available here which is a real bummer, so we'll pay a fortune getting it into the country, less profits etc.
Maybe someone here should look into becoming a distibutor, it seems to be popular so would sell well.
Good Luck Will,
Sam-Australia

gorgall · July 16th, 2008

Had a few more goes with the vinyl and come to the conclusion that, as Carl said the hand is terrible.I'm going to give subli flock a try.

DREAMGLASS · July 16th, 2008

That's a real pity Gordon. Looks like we go back to offering white shirts only again. Perhaps the subli-flock may possibly yield better results?

If anyone has managed to find a way to use sublimation with darker fabrics, feel free to share.

chonkymonky · July 16th, 2008

gordon...when you say vinyl i assume your reffering to the forever subli-dark samples you were going to try out? you say the hand is terrible..but what about the overall washability? how did it hold up there? did it crack? did the colors fade? my client doesnt care how heavy it feels..but i want to make sure the shirts can be worn more than two or three times.

Daniel Slatkin · July 16th, 2008

Lets face it almost all black techniques are flawed, In My opinion the hand on this product is very similar in feel to a silkscreen that was also bean done on black. After at least 10 washes the design looks great but it is very important that you follow the pressing/printing instructions. Also if you stretch the design a little each direction after pressing it softens the hand slightly. I have had no cracking or pealing problems When it first comes out of the dryer the print is a little wrinkled but after a couple of minutes up against your body heat it straightens out and looks great. It is not the perfect solution but it is the best I have found so far. I just wish it was available in rolls.

DREAMGLASS · July 16th, 2008

I think that we will have to educate our customers, that white is the 'new' black.

I have tried inkjet transfers for darks, but don't feel comfortable with the longetivity issue, to offer them for sale just yet. The quality isn't even remotely like that of sublimation. Cut vinyl works with simple designs, but the weeding can be laborious if you have a lot of orders to do.

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