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Old June 6th, 2007 Jun 6, 2007 9:21:01 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Printing On Black.

Hi, I am new at this and am trying to evaluate the best setup for me to invest in.

I was thinking of going the dye sub route but just read somewhere that it it only suitable on light colours. Most of my designs will be on black so I wanted to know if anyone could confirm that this is a bad idea.

Of course I'd love to screen print, but don't have the skills. Can anyone confirm that this Platisol is as good as it sounds???

It sounds like it might be the best solution for high quality on black, but if anyone has alternative suggestions I'd love to hear them.
 
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Default Re: Printing On Black.

dye sublimation on black is a very bad idea.......sorry, we all wish it weren't so!

your best choices for black remain screen printing, plastisol (which is screen printing without the mess ) or transfers, inkjet or laser.
 
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Old June 7th, 2007 Jun 7, 2007 2:24:54 AM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Printing On Black.

OK, thanks for that, the other option I was considering is vinyl, but I'm not sure I have ever seen a vinyl tee print in the flesh so to speak.

Are they higher quality than transfers?

Does anyone have any photo's of a completed garment?

Thanks.
 
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Default Re: Printing On Black.

I agree dye sublimation on black fabric is a bad idea.
I have had experience using plastisol over water based inks.
I prefer plastisol because it is generally safer than water based inks.
Water based inks can ruin the emulsion/screen stencil in a few days if it doesn't have a hardener. the photoemulsion used for stencil preparation is not very resistant to water. Actually it is water soluble.
plastisol uses phthalates plasticizers. a good plastisol can be stored for two years and still usable. water based inks are prone to bacterial attack.
the only thing good about water based inks is the soft hand feel but this too can be had using plastisol of a different kind.
 
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Default Re: Printing On Black.

1) Screen printing will give you the best results and the lowest cost for commercial quantity. But yes, it requires skills, and lots of experience to be good at it. It becomes expensive when you're printing 1 or very few pcs because of the initial cost of the screen. If you're just doing your own designs, maybe you can outsource.
2) Plastisol transfers are technically still screenprinting. So it will still give you great results when printing on black.
3) For sublimation on black shirts, there's a hybrid paper out there which can be used to print on black shirts.
4) Opaque transfer papers are availble for Laser & Inkjet printers for printing on black shirts. You get a "rubbery" feel when you use this opaque transfers. Cutting the design is a little time consuming and gives it a "non-professional" look.
5) Vinyl transfers cut on a cutter/plotter such as the Roland GX-24 is another option. It's best to use on 1 or 2 color designs only.
6) "Solvent dark" transfer papers printed on print&cut machines such as the Roland versacamm can also be used for dark shirts.
7) DTG's especially the Kornit machines will give you the best outcome when printing high resolution, photographic images. The machine though is very expensive.
 
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Default Re: Printing On Black.

Hi, i'm new to all this! I'm a graphic designer with ideals of opening a clothing line starting up on tshirt designs mostly on black for now. What would be a good method to print? Has anyone heard about the brand FYASKO? or VOLCOM? that's the type of printing I would like to achieve on my shirts... also, where can I find great quality t-shirts? that would be good for printing, as for quality and comfort. Any replies would be helpful, thanks folks!
 
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Default Re: Printing On Black.

Thanks for all this info guys, it's been very helpful.

eltigga, I know Volcom stuff and I would guess that this is screen printed.

As for t-suppliers, I am thinking that Hanes, Fruit of the Loom or American Apparel look to be the best 3. Google them.

Although I have seen other threads on this site that deal with that issue.
 
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Default Re: Printing On Black.

thanks Frank! I will look that up!
 
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Default Re: Printing On Black.

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OK, thanks for that, the other option I was considering is vinyl, but I'm not sure I have ever seen a vinyl tee print in the flesh so to speak.

Are they higher quality than transfers?

Does anyone have any photo's of a completed garment?

Thanks.
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Default Re: Printing On Black.

Hi all, I recently bought a black paintball jersey that had a logo sublimated on it and it was perfect. The company (Empire paintball) also advertised it as sublimated. There must be someway that we could get similar results, what about the Darkwear product from Alpha?
 
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Hi all, I recently bought a black paintball jersey that had a logo sublimated on it and it was perfect. The company (Empire paintball) also advertised it as sublimated. There must be someway that we could get similar results, what about the Darkwear product from Alpha?
If it was a dye subbed jersey, it's likely that the WHOLE jersey was printed black with dye sub.

I think I saw Chris from Vapor at a tradeshow once wearing something like that. He say the jersey is printed before it is sewn together. It starts out white, and it is printed with dye sub all over the jersey on a large format printer. Then it is sewn together. So instead of printing ON black, it's printing the whole shirt black (With the logo) to make the garment black.
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Default Re: Printing On Black.

ANY dye sub product that's got a black base was probably printed before it was cut and sewn. Sorry, that's the reality. For more info look up a few custom cycling jersey websites. I work with Sugoi a lot. Anyways, as with sublimation you're basically dying the fabric a different color obviously you have to start with a color lighter than the color you want to dye it... you can kind of sublimate on colored shirts, ie you can get a decent (not great or very high impace) black sublimation print on say a royal blue shirt but nothing at all on black).
 
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Default Re: Printing On Black.

I am confused... all the above postings should clearly state that the sublimation process can only be acheived on plymers not natural fibers like cotton even if 50/50 thus it is not just a matter of printing on dark but what garment fabric is used as the base...
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