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Old November 14th, 2009 Nov 14, 2009 9:36:30 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default ICC profiles. How important are these?

Hi quick question regarding ICC profiles for the Rotech Sublimation inks.
i have been doing a few items with the sublimation inks but the colors seem to be a little bright and the black color seems to be comming out brown on the finnished products, so my question is how important are the ICC profiles for the Rotech Sublimation inks?
Should i install them or not?
Will this help cure the bright colors and the black to brown issues?
And where is the best place to install them?
I currently run 2 programs CS3 and Coral Draw x4.
The Printer im using is the Epson D88
 
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Default Re: ICC profiles. How important are these?

ICC profiles are not necessary unless (as you have found) you want to print the right colours. They should be worth a try if nothing else?
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Default Re: ICC profiles. How important are these?

ICC profiles are necessary to reproduce the color of the original inks that come with a printer.
 
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Default Re: ICC profiles. How important are these?

Canned ICC profiles are only important if you want relatively consistent color results. If want the color results to be closer to "what you see is what you get" you need to profile your entire workflow.

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If your printer is going to only be used for sublimation inks, here's how you install the icc profile. First, it is recommended that you delete all the print profiles that came with the printer (right-click the printer and select Properties, then click on Color Management) you will see a list of color profiles. Delete these (you can always re-install them via the disk that came with the printer). Install the ICC profile. When you print, color management should be done in the application program and turned off in the printer dialog box.
 
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If your printer is going to only be used for sublimation inks, here's how you install the icc profile. First, it is recommended that you delete all the print profiles that came with the printer (right-click the printer and select Properties, then click on Color Management) you will see a list of color profiles. Delete these (you can always re-install them via the disk that came with the printer). Install the ICC profile. When you print, color management should be done in the application program and turned off in the printer dialog box.
Thanks for the great advice, however me being a little thick .
I have lost of at this point.( When you print, color management should be done in the application program and turned off in the printer dialog box)
Can you explain this part a litte more please.
 
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When you print in, for example Photoshop, you click the Printer Profile drop down arrow and select the newly installed profile then in your Page Setup box, select your printer. Click on ICC profile and Off (No Color Management). When you print, click on the Preferences button to make sure that the ICC profile and Off (No Color Management) buttons are still selected before you print.
 
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Some sublimation inks require a colour correction profile, whereas others do not. If you have a smaller format printer, you normally have little choice, other than using the offerings from Sawgrass. You can normally get hold of a printer profile to suit those inks, from your stockist.

Surprisingly enough, even with using exactly the same profiles and program settings, I have actually found that Coreldraw X3 outputs colours more accurately than X4 does for some obscure reason.
 
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Surprisingly enough, even with using exactly the same profiles and program settings, I have actually found that Coreldraw X3 outputs colours more accurately than X4 does for some obscure reason.
Your working profile is at least as important as your printer profile, maybe you have X3 & X4 set up differently?
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When you print in, for example Photoshop, you click the Printer Profile drop down arrow and select the newly installed profile then in your Page Setup box, select your printer. Click on ICC profile and Off (No Color Management). When you print, click on the Preferences button to make sure that the ICC profile and Off (No Color Management) buttons are still selected before you print.
Ah! Rite im with you now
Thanks again baddjun1 and everyone else who replyed with advice and help
I will let you know what happens later when i do as suggested and print something off
 
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Your working profile is at least as important as your printer profile, maybe you have X3 & X4 set up differently?
That was my first thought, but all the settings have been checked and double checked and X3 still outputs colours more accurately than X4. Mainly in the mid range blues. Illustrator CS3 also outputs the mid range blues more accurately than X4 does too. The only reason I still use X4, is that designs saved in X4 for use in earlier versions, won't actually open with anything other than X4. Someone else I know that uses X4 has also found that out too.
 
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I added the Rotech icc profile as suggested above.
But the result of my mug did not come out too good
As you can see the colors are not good at all.
The program i used was photoshop cs3
I set the color management to Rotch before i printed.
Can anyone please suggest where i went wrong by this photo.


 
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horrible banding, probably got some blocked nozzles?
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horrible banding, probably got some blocked nozzles?
Hi Dave thanks for the fast reply.
I have just done a nozzle check and seems fine.
Any other ideas?
 
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Default Re: ICC profiles. How important are these?

Not a brilliant picture to be able to see properly, but if your blacks have get a purple(ish) tinge to them as they appear to have, then it's almost certainly a colour management problem you have there.

I don't use Rotech or their profiles, so can't give you specific advice on those products. Hopefully someone that does will see this thread and 'chip in' with some workable solution for you.
 
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