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danchoix · September 4th, 2008

This is machine & provider:
Chialstar Technology Group Ltd-epson,canon,brother,hp

Here is the Quotation for Machine & inks:

1) 148usd/L Pigment ink color: cyan, magenta, yellow, black, and white
The total ink for each t-shirt, it depends on your image on the t-shirt. 10ml ink per square meter clothes. It can produce 4.4square meter per hour.

2) TRD420 (7900usd) +pigment ink (2L each color, total: 1480usd) +shipping charge from Shenzhen to Ho Chi Minh port (250usd) = Total: 9630usd

Please give me some comment about China Machine (is this good or not? how long it will have problems? How is the ink quality? how long it will fade?)

How do you think about this machine?

Thanks for all.

. I am just a newbie.

CUSTOM UK · September 4th, 2008

Hi. Two problems you get with items made in China.

The translation of operating instructions often leaves a lot to be desired. Sometimes they just make no sense at all.

Parts, servicing and repair. If your machine develops a fault, you need to get it up and working again as soon as you possibly can. If there is a distributor in your own country, they can usually get parts shipped out to you for next day delivery, or hopefully get an engineer out to you within a few days. Very few Chinese companies have that type of worldwide distributor network set up. You would realistically be looking at a week to ten days to get the part from China, then you need to have the knowledge to fit it.

I use Chinese made heat presses on a daily basis with no problems, but they don't have the complexity, or the potential to go wrong, that a dtg machine does.

martinwoods · September 4th, 2008

I am with Will on this one. It is hard enough to get service on a machine you buy 2 blocks away let alone in another country.

Danchiox welcome and where are you from? Anywhere close to China?

COEDS · September 4th, 2008

I suggest rethinking the china thing and keep your money closer to home for no other reason than beiing able to contact a vendor and get some type of customer support. .... JB

danchoix · September 4th, 2008

@ MartinWoods: I come from Vietnam. Nice to meet you guys.
@ DreamGlass: There is no any distributor about DTG machine (or I can not find them?) in my country. My only way to do t-shirt business is import from another country. Kornit come with us already, but we are not enough money.

@ COEDS: Do you know any good vendor with budget USD 10,000?
Thanks for all.

moffett8 · September 4th, 2008

What don't you just pay someone to make a DTG printer for you? At least they would be in the US and you could get parts for it if something broke. I would guess the price wouldn't be that much difference from china.. The Chinese some times have a way of making some really low quality stuff.

Philip

CanExplorer · September 4th, 2008

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Originally Posted by moffett8


	What don't you just pay someone to make a DTG printer for you? At least they would be in the US and you could get parts for it if something broke. I would guess the price wouldn't be that much difference from china.. The Chinese some times have a way of making some really low quality stuff. Philip

It depends on who does business. I bought some ink from US and they are old.....made me lot problems. I bought lot stuff made in China and they work just fine and the prices are good. Just do more homework to find a company with good reputation.

zoom_monster · September 4th, 2008

Since you're in Vietnam, that's certainly closer to you. You my want to find at least someone closer to home that can work on Epson printers and that you can order parts through in case you need to. I think what anyone should be concerned with; is to make sure that you buy from a company that will stand behind the product and have the resources to supply you with consumables.

martinwoods · September 4th, 2008

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Originally Posted by danchoix


	@ MartinWoods: I come from Vietnam. Nice to meet you guys. .

Nice to meet you as welcome and welcome.
Good luck on whatever you decide. I know it's hard when there is nobody near.

Take care

SBEMedia · September 4th, 2008

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Originally Posted by danchoix


	This is machine & provider: Chialstar Technology Group Ltd-epson,canon,brother,hp Here is the Quotation for Machine & inks: 1) 148usd/L Pigment ink color: cyan, magenta, yellow, black, and white The total ink for each t-shirt, it depends on your image on the t-shirt. 10ml ink per square meter clothes. It can produce 4.4square meter per hour. 2) TRD420 (7900usd) +pigment ink (2L each color, total: 1480usd) +shipping charge from Shenzhen to Ho Chi Minh port (250usd) = Total: 9630usd Please give me some comment about China Machine (is this good or not? how long it will have problems? How is the ink quality? how long it will fade?) How do you think about this machine? Thanks for all. . I am just a newbie.

I'm talking with one of their reps right now and will let everyone know what I find out.

Justin Walker · September 4th, 2008

Interestingly, that machine looks very familiar.....

I think I can say with confidence that the machine you are looking at, is the exact same machine that myself and a few associates had been working with a Chinese company to have developed last year. We went through a few different prototypes before walking away from the project, but the one pictured above was actually INCREDIBLY solid. There was a relatively mild list of concerns we had, and slight changes we wanted to have made to the way the hardware operated. The deeper problem was with the model that FOLLOWED this one - parts were swapped out, and things had been changed without our permission. The subsequent prototype left a bit to be desired, beyond our initial concerns with the machine.

The machine DID have some nice features - for instance, you could remove the entire side covering to expose the printhead and capping station for VERY easy maintenance:

I also was fond of the original platen configuration they presented to us (which obviously "borrowed" from the Kornit setup). The problem with this platen was the depth - there was simply not enough room to stuff much shirt material underneath, so anything over an XL became a problem to try and print. FORGET about sweatshirts....

Believe it or not, this is what the machine started its life as:

Last but not least, if you want to see the prototype machine printing, check out this link:

Obviously, I am not in a position to say whether the machine IS, for sure, the same one. However, it looks mighty similar.....

TahoeTomahawk · September 4th, 2008

Thanks for Sharing Justin.
Can you give us the details, what (if any) model printer is it based on? What inkset and rips does it use?
Does it use the Dupont White ink?

Thanks

danchoix · September 4th, 2008

@ Justin Walker: how is it print on black - garments? Is it good or not? about the printer inside, it looks like Epson R1800 huh? (just guess) thanks for your share Justin.

chan · September 4th, 2008

are you going to open a T-shirt factory and need mass production (> 1000 piece per day) ?
why buy one printer at US$1000 level instead of 2-3 at US$3-400 level?

danchoix · September 4th, 2008

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Originally Posted by chan


	are you going to open a T-shirt factory and need mass production (> 1000 piece per day) ? why buy one printer at US$1000 level instead of 2-3 at US$3-400 level?

I just open a small t-shirt online business. So, maybe I just need a cheaper printer. I searched on ALIBABA.COM but I can not find any distributor for that price. Can you introduce to me some?

Thanks much.

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