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Old July 1st, 2008 Jul 1, 2008 1:17:02 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Question copyright or trademark???

my company name is spelled with one word backwards, now would that be in copyright or trademark?
 
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Old July 1st, 2008 Jul 1, 2008 3:49:13 PM -   #2 (permalink)
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can you even copyright something like that with a letter backwards?
 
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trademark.... with stylized font/characters.....

register it...takes about 2 years
 
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Default Re: copyright or trademark???

Yes, you have your answer, trademark, or also known as service mark.

Copyright is more for art: written word like books, lyrics, poems, photographs, paintings, plays. A quick read of the copyright info and the trademark info listed under "resources" to the left on the forum will familarize you with the basics of what each covers. Best regards.
 
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it would be a trademark - do a search first make sure not taken - I would buy the nolo book on Trademarks

Don't have to trademark the style but you could add that as well
 
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when i trademarked mine.... i had an issue with nordstrom...they registered "two am" 2 weeks before i registered ": 2:37am :".... i got suspended and had to go through all this b.s......... finally the lawyer registered it as a trademark with letters/numbers/symbols and is a stylized..... so hopefully real soon it'll clear

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when i trademarked mine.... i had an issue with nordstrom...they registered "two am" 2 weeks before i registered ": 2:37am :".... i got suspended and had to go through all this b.s......... finally the lawyer registered it as a trademark with letters/numbers/symbols and is a stylized..... so hopefully real soon it'll clear

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Did you file the Trademark yourself? or go through a filing company/attorney?

Seems like you can file yourself - the form does not look too comples after a detailes Trademark search - but not sure how easy it is to handle challenges if there are any yourself
 
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i just paid the 150 and had a lawyer do it...............
 
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Good luck 2:37. I remember when you posted about Nordstroms earlier. Sounds like you are making progess. Hope it keeps moving along for you.
 
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Richie,

If your company name is a word with one letter backwards, you might have a hard time registering it if the same word (with no backwards letters) is already trademarked. I think this is one you might want to take to a lawyer first before trying to register.
 
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If your company name is a word with one letter backwards, you might have a hard time registering it if the same word (with no backwards letters) is already trademarked. I think this is one you might want to take to a lawyer first before trying to register.
Yes also if the word spelled backwards sounds like a common trademark that could be an issue too - the Nolo Trademark book covers these points too - lawyers are expensive though - may be cheaper to do a Trademark search for $80 and then file the application and see what happens
 
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Hi everyone, newbie here:

I only have 2 shirt designs at this point but the layout is:

Word
Image (common, not mine or unique)
Word

And the other is:
Word
&
Word

Am I loooking at a trademark here? Cany anyone estimate the cost of each trademark? (I hear these must be done in Washington D.C.) and not state-based I am in Massachusetts).

Thnaks in advance for the info.
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paragon,

What you're looking for is a copyright, not a trademark. Trademarks are for company names and logos, product names, etc.

All the info for copyright can be found here:

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Hi all, I am new to these forums, and man are they helpful. I am probably going to be purchasing my first shi-pment of shirts this month's end and I am NERVOUUUSSSSS!!!!
I just realized I might have made a copyright instead of a trademark? I have an image and a name that I want on my labels: is this trademark or copyright? I understand trademark takes a couple years so can I go ahead and use the logo and just sit and wait for the approval? That is a bit confusing!!!

Also, I want a business name: is this just a normal business name registration?
 
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Hi all, I am new to these forums, and man are they helpful. I am probably going to be purchasing my first shi-pment of shirts this month's end and I am NERVOUUUSSSSS!!!!
I just realized I might have made a copyright instead of a trademark? I have an image and a name that I want on my labels: is this trademark or copyright? I understand trademark takes a couple years so can I go ahead and use the logo and just sit and wait for the approval? That is a bit confusing!!!

Also, I want a business name: is this just a normal business name registration?
I'm not sure about trademark vs. copyright. Even thoughthe above says differently for me, I still think I am using a TM and I am puting it on my shirts Temorarily until mine comes in.
I think your's is a TM too but I could be wrong.
Copyrights for me mean literature, media, and artwork, etc...but again I might be wrong.

As for your name, you probably want to register in your town or city as a 'DBA' (doing business as...). This would mean you would be, i.e. Mark Smith, DBA Lionheart Shirts. Then you need to go down to your local bank and open up a separate bank acct. under Lionheart shirts.

Hope this helps and yes these forums are very helpful. I'm just getting my 1st shipment (100 shirts this week too

Good luck.
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