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[Brother GT-541] HELP! Random clogging in the yellow print head...



 
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Old June 27th, 2009 Jun 27, 2009 2:12:30 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default HELP! Random clogging in the yellow print head...

I have been having some serious troubles with my yellow ink, and I have now spent over 30 hours trying to fix it. I don't know if anybody caught some of my other recent posts, but I have been speaking (ironically) about being prepared for MURPHEY'S LAW, or you won't be able to make it long-term in the business world. Well, looks like I should be heeding my own advice, by keeping extra print heads or SOMETHING around..... I got back from Vegas late Wednesday (helping my cousin move back to California... no more free place to stay, right off the Strip ), and I had a bunch of rush orders to get done as soon as I was home. Therefore, I fired up the machine on Thursday, and decided to make a little money!

Well, as it turns out, the machine had other plans. Instead of printing, the yellow ink just started acting stupid, printing completely inconsistent nozzle patters, and sometimes disappearing entirely. Below, you will see plenty of nozzle tests we had done, trying to find out what the problem was:



Sometimes the yellow is present, other times it disappears entirely:



Of course, I am aware of what could be causing this: air bubbles in the lines, perhaps? I am more than willing to entertain this idea, especially considering the fact that we had recently transferred ink from near-empty carts, to carts we had been refilling. Therefore, it is possible that we actually introduced air into the lines, which is causing problems... However, I have some issues with this. First of all, we took great precautions when transferring the ink, using the same technique that doctors use to eliminate air bubbles from injection needles. Second, we had refilled ALL the ink cartridges, about a month ago; this was the one and only time we have tried this, and we posted about it on the forum (34-76 cc's of ink left in each Brother cartridge, when empty!). We have had no signs of trouble, no signs of weakening ink, no visual air bubbles in the line, etc.... It seems strange to me that it would start now, and only in 1 color.

In case the ink was the problem, I called Raul (from Stitch City) to see about getting a new yellow ink cartridge, hoping that I could use the fresh new ink to purge out the old ink, until there was no possibility of air bubbles in the line (since I am being told that is "most likely" the problem.....). He didn't have the old cartridges on him, but he did have one of the new 500cc carts, which I decided to pick up (you can never have too much ink, right?).

Here are the 2 ink cartridges side by side:



And here is what the cartridge looks like in the machine:



I ran an absolutely ridiculous number of POWERFUL and INITIAL head cleanings, and have seen no improvement.... So at the moment, I'm back to having no way to print (I cannot believe this is happening, again); but, I have this awesomely large ink cartridge, and my pocketbook is $350 lighter (much of which has now been flushed down the drain, trying to fix the head)........

After flushing 1/4 of my ink down the drain, I decided to ease up on the cleaning cycles, since they had no predictable effect on the print heads. Sometimes, they would make it worse, sometimes they would make it better, and sometimes they just seemed to mock me... During the entire procedure, I stumbled on another test pattern you can print (normal), as oppose to the nozzle check. Upon printing, I discovered that, in spite of some missing nozzles, there were still solid areas of yellow, coming out great in this new test pattern! (sorry, we print a lot of image directly over other images for testing and such).



In order to test how well the yellow was working, I made an image in Photoshop that consisted of 2 long, yellow rectangles (solid). As they started printing, I was thrilled to see how good the yellow was coming out! However, as it got lower and lower in the image, I could clearly see that the ink was on its way out:









Because of this phenomenon, I have a hard time believing that air bubbles are the cause, although I am not enough of an expert to rule anything out! These are complicated machines, where almost anything can go wrong at any time...

After speaking with Raul again, this morning, and going through other possibilities, he is now under the impression that, for whatever reason, air is somehow being introduced into the system through somewhere (ie, more like a leak than air bubbles trapped in the lines). This is an entirely plausible situation, consisdering the symptoms. The good news: if that is the case, then the print head is not the problem! The bad news: I just lost this entire weekend of printing, and now have to refund several clients for rush orders that did not get done, and several more that are most likely not going to get done. The net loss to my business is going to easily exceed what I would have spent on a new print head, and I still can't print....

I am shocked that it would be having this issue, considering I was out of town for a few days and NOBODY had touched my machine while I was gone (hence the busy weekend of printing I was supposed to have ahead of me...) Although Raul has been helpful in offering suggestions over the phone, and seems to know an aweful lot about the technical side of this business, I am dead in the water until something gets figured out.... If anybody has experienced anything like this before, I am open to any suggestions you might have!

Again, thanks to Raul, and the guys at Stitch City for helping me out; I was really pleased to get an early call from Raul, following up on my situation. Hopefully, we can solve this problem, and educate other machine owners on yet one more possible issue that they should be on the lookout for!
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Old June 27th, 2009 Jun 27, 2009 2:25:40 PM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: HELP! Random clogging in the yellow print head...

This happened to me with black.
A new head fixed it.
 
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Default Re: HELP! Random clogging in the yellow print head...

I am hearing that this has actually happened to lots of Brother owners... I wish more people spoke openly about it; it is one of those things that people should definitely be aware of as a possibility.
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Old June 27th, 2009 Jun 27, 2009 2:34:59 PM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: HELP! Random clogging in the yellow print head...

I changed it out as well as the tube just in case. It was easy to replace. Wear a grounding chain.
 
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Old June 27th, 2009 Jun 27, 2009 5:23:27 PM -   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: HELP! Random clogging in the yellow print head...

Ours wasn't fading like your is. Instead, one of our channels in the black was out. A print head replacement solved the issue as well.

Sorry to hear it is happening...

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Old June 27th, 2009 Jun 27, 2009 5:33:50 PM -   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: HELP! Random clogging in the yellow print head...

Hello justin did you ever tride to snap or just cut a little the end of the yellow line to see if is any thick ink stock in the end of the line by the head because you may let set for a while the machine with out running may that will work! Robert.
 
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Old June 27th, 2009 Jun 27, 2009 10:04:54 PM -   #7 (permalink)
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bummer dude, I just spent 3 thous fixing m Roland Ha. They kept on not knowing what was wrong and kept costing me alot of money, at end of day I had 4 new manifolds, 5 damers a circuit board and temporary insanity, so I know what you going through with not knowing whats wrong, went through it for over a week.
I would recommend soaking cleaning swap with cleaning fluid and pump it into head for few minutes, than put cleaning fluid in capping station and park head for 15 min and than do a few normal head cleans.

Had that kinda issue with Roland where head not firing right at all, thought head was crap but fixed issue right up
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Old June 29th, 2009 Jun 29, 2009 11:43:14 AM -   #8 (permalink)
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Default Re: HELP! Random clogging in the yellow print head...

I feel your pain. I don't have a lot of experience with Brother's. We have had a couple come in for repair only. But I can tell you that it is either the air issue or the connection to the head. First I would look at the nipple right where the cartridge plugs in and clean that off. A lot of build up right there will cause an air leak. Then you have to look at all the fittings in the yellow line. It could be on the back end of that cartridge nipple. Usually if there is an air leak however...you can see the ink back out of the line eventually at the head connection if your ink lines are clear. If you are sure that your ink lines are good you may be able to test to see if it is the head or not by switching the ink lines right at the head. You will have a different color come out of the head, but you will be able to see if it is a line or head connection problem. We had this same thing happen on 2 T-jets we had in for repair and on one machine it was the head. It had the exact same symptoms that you are experiencing on the white port. It would print intermittent nozzle checks and print a good solid white for half on the image and then fade.

I hope this helps.
 
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How many prints you got on machine and how long you had it Justin?
This might teach you not to play doctor Lol. With me, I just push ink and fold over plastic/tape and at the end of day I leave behind a few dollars worth of ink because I was playing ink game with Roland and got into big trouble with it.
It nice to save ink, but don't try to save a buck and spend a grand instead n repairs
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I have been reading about all of the ways to get that last bit of ink out of the cartridge... Makes me nervous. We don't mess with the cartridges, we just replace them when they are empty.
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that is the thing, they arent empty, still 30 or 40 bucks of ink in them, as long as you told fold method you be just fine, I done it on 2 sets of carts full cmky and zero issues, but if you wanna transfer ink like a doctor, than well.. stuff happens Lol.
I do recommend though, to have extra cart. on hand when you do fold issue, other than that, after swapping to a new cart, I do a normal head clean and the way I am off
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Just now reading the brother newsletter. See above for a new head cleaning service.
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Old July 1st, 2009 Jul 1, 2009 5:35:39 PM -   #13 (permalink)
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My money is on a blocked head because it was fine when you left. I posted here a while ago about the issues I had with mine, I was getting banding and a couple of nozzles were printing a wavey line.

the well known industry "experts" told me it was electrical....

To cut a long story short I got another cleaning kit and scrubbed (and i MEAN scrub) the head in a circular motion for at least 5 minutes. The head has been perfect ever since The Brother wipe method cleaning did not do anything - you gotta scrub dude!!

In the U.K we have never had a head go bad. This info came from our Brother distributor. I think a lot of people who have changed the heads might of been able to clean them by getting aggresive with the swabs and wash solution.
 
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You gotta remember there are industrial type heads which mean they will tech. last forever when printing just shirts, people are sooo scared about heads being fragile and I am an idiot and I took 4 out in a month on Roland scrubed, banged around them on table and left them off caping station with zero issues.

It isn;t fine china, as long are your not using anything abrasive to clean head, you'll be just fine
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My money is on a blocked head because it was fine when you left. I posted here a while ago about the issues I had with mine, I was getting banding and a couple of nozzles were printing a wavey line.

the well known industry "experts" told me it was electrical....

To cut a long story short I got another cleaning kit and scrubbed (and i MEAN scrub) the head in a circular motion for at least 5 minutes. The head has been perfect ever since The Brother wipe method cleaning did not do anything - you gotta scrub dude!!

In the U.K we have never had a head go bad. This info came from our Brother distributor. I think a lot of people who have changed the heads might of been able to clean them by getting aggresive with the swabs and wash solution.
The only reason I was thinking that it may not be a clogging issue is that the yellow ink would print solid with no banding then fade. A blocked port would not be intermittent. It's more like starving.
 
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