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[Brother GT-541] 34-76 cc's of ink left in each Brother cartridge, when empty!



 
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Old May 31st, 2009 May 31, 2009 2:10:42 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default 34-76 cc's of ink left in each Brother cartridge, when empty!

I recently cracked open 10 ink cartridges I had laying around, and took a look at the remaining ink. Here is what I have discovered, based solely on these 10 carts:

- A new Brother ink cartridge (250ml) weighs approximately 520 grams (only had a gram scale on hand for mail, so its not 100% accurate).
- A truly empty cart (the plastic casing, as well as the empty plastic bladder inside) weighs approximately 225 grams.
- A cart that the Brother machine reads as "empty" can often have between 40-90 grams of ink left in the bladder, based on weight!


Henry removing the ink from the "empty" cartridges; that was the third syringe full of ink from the same "empty" cartridge.


This is what an empty cartridge is supposed to look like!


Empty ink cartridges, galore!

Based on rough calculations (520 g - 225 g = 295 g / 250 cc = 1.18 g per cc), the weight per cc works out to around 1.18 g....... So by extension, it can be calculated that, out of the 10 cartridges we opened up, yesterday, we found anywhere between 34-76 cc of ink left in each cart! Now, keep the following bits in mind:

a. We were using a standard mail meter... These tests are repeatable; if you've got one lying around, double check some of these numbers for me.
b. ALL the cartridges weighed out to approx. 225 grams, once we REALLY emptied them. This means the only inconsistency is in the amount of remaining ink when the Brother printer reads "empty".
c. My machine is refurbished, so "maybe" that has something to do with the machine not pulling all the ink out (or at least down to 30 cc's).... More people should be monitoring these numbers, I think.
d. If I am right, then on some cartridges of Brother ink, you are actually getting as little as 175 cc's of usable ink (before taking extended measures to recover the ink that is trapped inside), out of a 250 cc cartridge! For those of you who are counting, that works out to be $1.14 per cc, as opposed to the .80 (or whatever the number Brother throws around), when only counting the ink that the machine pulls out of the bags.
e. We manually pulled the ink out of each cartridge, about 10 cc's at a time, using a small medical syringe and needle. Due to the viscosity of the ink, the process is long and slooooow. You cannot use too much pressure when extracting or injecting the ink, or the needle tip would fly off and you would spill ink everywhere. Next time around, we are using a larger diameter needle.
f. Whether you are a doctor administering a vaccination, a digital printer refilling ink cartridges, or a heroin addict looking for a fix, we all have one thing in common; WE DON'T WANT AIR IN THE SYRINGE / NEEDLE TO MAKE IT INTO THE INTENDED INJECTION POINT! Therefore, Henry took great precaution in tapping / squeezing the needle (just like you see them do it on TV before making an injection - there is an actual point to that procedure) to eliminate any air between transfers.

Just to be clear, I am posting this information to give people a starting point, not necessarily to offer concrete, definitive numbers. I would love to have other Brother owners double check some of these figures, and see what kind of leftover ink you are finding. I am sure we would all be pretty surprised to find out how much we are wasting! Of course, maybe my scale is off, and none of these numbers will be near the mark.... Who knows???
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Default Re: 34-76 cc's of ink left in each Brother cartridge, when empty!

Justin,

The two other things also to consider are the amount of ink that comes in the Brother cartridge to start off with and what steps did you take before you considered the Brother printer says the cartridge is empty. It is common practice for ink manufacturers to overfill the cartridges knowing that a specific amount of ink on average will read as empty. Also, what things are you doing to the cartridge before you call it empty. There have been several people that have posted some tricks that they do. This past week, I just shaked the cartridges while printing at the NBM Show in Indy and I could get several more prints out of them. This might explain why there is a such a big gap between the amount of ink left in your empty cartridges.

Just two things to consider as you conduct this science project.

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Default Re: 34-76 cc's of ink left in each Brother cartridge, when empty!

Um I told you soo... LOL.

There is quit a bit of ink left over when it says it is empty... and oh it gets better, I opened up inks for my Roland printer when it said it was empty and what do I find, a bunch of ink still left Ha.
I do same thing with Roland inks as my Brother now, especially factoring in that I running out of inks poretty fast lately due to high volume of work I been doing.

I use a plastic squeegee to push ink forward and works great, I also cut plastic flap so cart. closes better because if you don't its a b*t@h to shut it correctly

As for my Roland I use third party inks with about 40% in saving and better prints than those of Rolands with ZERO issues : )
I am starting to think smart about this crap ; )
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I squeegee and heat sealthe ink off.

Sean Please PM be your ink supplier for the Roland that you save 40% with.

Justin you be surprised how much you are leaving, so squeegee and get 30 more shirts.
 
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Mark; I agree. There are many different techniques to draining more ink out of your cartridges, most of which we have heard Brother owners discuss for quite some time. However, my point was simply to show the discrepancy between the point when the machine TELLS you the ink is empty, and the actual amount of ink left in the bags at that point. I did not use any of the ink-saving techniques that had been mentioned, prior to removing the cartridge from the machine and opening it up for inspection. This post was primarily meant to remind Brother owners to keep an eye on their low and "empty" carts, as well as to educate the public as to what they can do to combat Brother's ridiculous ink prices.
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Justin you be surprised how much you are leaving, so squeegee and get 30 more shirts.
I'll give it a whirl! I am sure we will improve our methods of removing the ink from the bags, as we progress, but this was our first attempt. Good thing I never throw any empty cartridges away!
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Ya know, its funny; a Brother rep had been in my shop a few months ago, and saw the shelf full of empty ink cartridges. He always likes to give me a hard time, and he assumed I wanted to refill the carts with OEM ink; he made some off-handed comment about how I'm not going to find a replacement ink that's as good as the Brother inks, so I don't really have any reason to keep those empties...

I'm sure glad I held on to them! I always knew that they contained liquid gold, but I never knew how much!
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Ya know, its funny; a Brother rep had been in my shop a few months ago, and saw the shelf full of empty ink cartridges. He always likes to give me a hard time, and he assumed I wanted to refill the carts with OEM ink; he made some off-handed comment about how I'm not going to find a replacement ink that's as good as the Brother inks, so I don't really have any reason to keep those empties...

I'm sure glad I held on to them! I always knew that they contained liquid gold, but I never knew how much!

I'm real glad my son-in-law kept ours. .He is one sharp guy.
 
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Its a lot less messy if you just put some tape over the slot on the top of the cartridge... and less chance of contamination and blowing a head.
 
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