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[Brother GT-782] NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?



 
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Old May 28th, 2009 May 28, 2009 7:55:09 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

The new GT-782 from Brother is a dual platen, production oriented, digital garment printer with WHITE INK. This printer takes the quality, durability and ease of use that Brother has become known for with their GT-541 model to the next level.
Designed for mid-high volume shops that are looking to produce high quality, multi-color, detail oriented prints on primarily dark garments (you can also print on light garments).
GT-782 Specifications:
  • Size: 106 in (W) x 45 in (D) x 33 in (H) (Approx. 8.85' W x 3.75' D x 2.75' H)
  • Max printing area: 16" X 18" - Standard Platen size 14"x16"
  • Platen Height Adjustment: Manual 12mm (0.48")
  • Machine Weight: 485lb not including crating
  • Ink Color/ Number of Heads: 8 Heads - 4 White / 4 for CMYK - 2 maintenance stations
  • Compatible print head with GT-541
  • Ink Volume: Large Size Ink Cartridge: 500cc CMYK / 500cc White
  • Resolution of Print Heads: 600 x 600 (dpi)
  • Print Mode: Single or Double for CMYK, Underbase and Highlight for White
  • Printable Substrates: 100% cotton, 50/50 cotton/polyester (final results may vary
    depending on blend type of materials)
  • Operating Environment: 50F(10C) to 95F(35C) Humidity 20 - 85% RH
  • Interface and Operating System Requirements:
    • Windows Print Driver Interface
    • Easy interface (as GT-541) and no RIP required
    • Under-base white & highlight white volume control
    • Additional easy color manipulation controls (Saturation, Contrast, Ink Volume)
    • All major Windows graphic applications are supported
    • USB (USB1.1/2.0), Compact Flash
  • Power Consumption: 0.8 A (average)
  • Power Supply: AC120V 50/60Hz (USA)
  • Dual Platen Support for superior production outputs
  • Pre-Treatment Required: Yes, for use of white ink (dark garments), No for CMYK on light/white garments
  • Ink Curing: Conveyer oven dryer is recommended to support high productivity of the printer. A Heat-press machine** can also be used, 356 degrees F and 35 seconds duration.
  • Print Speeds Including Loading/Unloading:
    • Light garments: 50 ~ 60 prints/hour
      Dark garments: 50 ~ 60 prints/hour (Std Mode)
      30 ~ 40 prints/hour (Highlight White Mode)
Pricing & Packaging of the Brother GT-782:
·MSRP List Price: $54,995.00 - Call the distributor for a specific detailed quote on the GT-782
·Installation/Setup/Training: 1.5 days - $1,500.00(est.)
  • Freight: ~$750 - Will vary depending on location; rigging cost are the responsibility of the end user.
The Brother GT-782 Printer includes:
ØSpecial Custom Stand for the GT-782
ØStarter Kit: (Includes)
o4 Cap Cleaning Kits
o4 White Ink Cartridges - 500 cc ink cartridges
o1 each of the Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black 500 cc ink cartridges
o20 Liters of Pre-treatment Solution
o20 Liters of Maintenance Cleaning Solution
o1 Maintenance Cartridge
o5 transparent sheets for printing nozzle patterns of white ink (so you can see them!)
o1 Teflon sheet
o1 Roller and roller tray
o2 T-Shirts
Ink:
The inks come in 500cc cartridges
White Ink Carts: 500 cc's - $300.00 each
  • These will be drop shipped from Tenn. 2nd day and free of charge, to ensure that the white ink is "fresh". The white ink does have a shorter shelf life, roughly 60-90 days and does require agitation.
CMYK Ink Carts: 500 cc's - $350.00 each
Cost Per Print as with the GT-541 is going to vary depending on the size of the image, the type of file, the density and the desired look. The GT-782 is the only printer in the industry with a reverse pump for their white heads, ensuring that you do not waste ink during cleaning and flushing cycles. This provides consistent and repeatable consumption. For more specific information please contact your distributor.
Pre-Treating the Garments:
This can be done manually; either with the roller and tray provided or with a power sprayer. It can also be done with an automatic pre-treatment machine. The automatic pre-treat machines provide consistent and even coverage of the required 35-38 grams of solution for a 14"x14" area. The treated garment, regardless of how the pre-treatment is applied, must be cured on a heat press at 360-365 degrees F for 35 seconds with heavy (80 pounds) of pressure. This ensures the pre-treatment is cured and the fibers of the garment are matted down to a smooth surface for the white ink.
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Default Re: NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

Thanks for the info.
 
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Default Re: NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

Mhm. I just got info. from my dealer ITNH .. I am happy to see how relatively cheap white ink is
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Default Re: NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

Actually $600 a liter is outrageous but hey I wasn't asked.
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Default Re: NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

Yes, but you gotta remember, in a whole, it is cheaper with less work keeping up with machine, and I heard it will use less ink than traditionally used by Dupount.
Also facotr in that ink is sucked back into the machine and not sucked out to be wasted, over time, I speculate there will be greater savings : )
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Default Re: NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

I hear ya Brotha but still $600 is insane.
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Default Re: NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

I think they charge its weight in value gold is going for Ha.
Ya price is high but tech. it is cheaper than what we are use to seeing from Brother especially the new, lower ink prices : )

I personally wouldn't get any machine that does white ink, cost to much in a whole and to time consuming, part I love is that, white ink is like a heart transplant, you got a limited time to use it or else your dead man.

especially using up 2 liters of ink Ha.
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Default Re: NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

Agreed; $600 means that I won't be looking any further into this machine. I have been saying it from the beginning; if they cannot get their ink cost in line, FORGET IT! Bigjack - cleaning and routine maintenance is not the only thing that wastes ink. And just because the Brother might do "fewer" head cleanings, even my 541 needs a purge every 25 shirts to keep the heads clean.

So, on the 782 (thinking about the relatively SMALL tiger image that was being printed at many of the shows); total ink consumption for that image was around 4.something - if it was near 4.5 cc, then the actual cost (of ink that landed on the shirt, nothing else) is around $3. Now, then you need to factor in pretreatment (.50?), regular maintenance cycles (which will add up, doing an auto mini-purge on 2 print heads, every 25 shirts), then overhead. I can outsource to a Kornit owner for just about what the sum total (per shirt) would cost me on the Brother, and I won't have to manually pretreat or print anything, and I won't have "bulletproof" prints.

Sorry, Brother seems to have tried, but seems to have fallen far short of what would be required for a "true" production machine.

I WILL NEVER BUY ANY DTG PRINTER, WHICH COSTS MORE THAN $2.50 TOTAL TO PRINT A SOLID COVERAGE 12 x 12 IMAGE ON LIGHT OR DARK, PERIOD! That includes pretreatment, waste, etc. Until the industry matures into this price range or below, we simply cannot compete (in a meaningful way) with screen printers, and I will continue to outsource to the guys with the reasonably priced ink, so I can completely eliminate production and labor from my life. The ONLY way for me to have any desire to take on the level of production that HIGH VOLUME dark garment printing requires, again, is for the actual hard costs to be SIGNIFICANTLY lower than the current cost to outsource; right now, it simply doesn't make financial sense.
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Default Re: NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

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especially using up 2 liters of ink Ha.
When we were printing with our Kornit, nonstop 24/7, we burned through a liter of white ink in a few short days. It goes quick!!
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Default Re: NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

WOW, and I thought $144.00 for 500ml of the other white ink was still a little high.
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Default Food for thought

(I know some of these are probably Dupont white)

FastInk White Ink: $265 per liter
FastInk Pretreatment: $25 per liter
FastINK Textile Ink For All Digital Direct To Garment Printers

Dan's White Ink: $265 per liter
Dan's Pretreatment: $25 per liter
DTG Inks - DTGInks, DTGInks Bright White Ink,Pre-treatment, Cleaning Solution, CPS.

Kornit White Ink: $180 per liter
Kornit Pretreatment: $3.40 per liter
Kornit Supplies and Accessories - Hirsch

Anajet White Ink: $675 per liter
Anajet Pretreatment: ???
Anyone Use ANAJET FP-125??

Brother White Ink: $600 per liter
Brother Pretreatment: ???

I didn't search too far for the Anajet information, as they make you submit your personal info just to find a rep in your area. No thanks.... And the one distributor I did find (Best Blanks) doesn't list ink prices on the website (I wouldn't, either!), they just copy and paste exactly what is on the Anajet website. If anybody knows where the Anajet ink prices are listed, or what the pretreatment agent costs (per liter), let me know.

Looks like Brother isn't the HIGHEST priced on the market....... I wonder what the pretreatment numbers are.
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Dan's White Ink: $265 per liter
Dan's Pretreatment: $25 per liter
DTG Inks - DTGInks, DTGInks Bright White Ink,Pre-treatment, Cleaning Solution, CPS.
Justin close on the price, thanks for the link, I hope all is well?
Now if we can get the white ink below Kornit's price, than we will all be happier
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Default Re: NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

Yeah, I rounded to the nearest $5 on some of them... I actually spent a lot of time with conversion calculators, since your products are listed in ounces rather than liters... haha. I even did the math and found out that Kornit actually includes 1050 ml in each liter (150ml x 7 bottles), although that may account for volume capacity, as the bottles are not always filled all the way up.
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Default Re: NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

so when exactly are the will start saling the 500cc ink colors because is a good deal, i think it will work for the brother 541 also right?
 
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Default Re: NEW 782 info. White ink cheaper than color?

Will work with 541 and I was told it will be sold end of June or sometime in July
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