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[Flexi-Jet Model L] Iproof setting



 
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Old July 15th, 2009 Jul 15, 2009 8:33:17 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Iproof setting

This image has a fade all the way around it. My T Jet and fast artist recognize it. When I use Iproof it doesn't and you can see the white line all the way around the image. What setting should I have it on to get rid of this? I have over 200 of these to do and don't want to do it on the slow T jet 2. If you need better or more images let me know. Just learning the iproof. Most things I print have this fade around the images so I really need to figure this out.
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also, the underbase peaks out on simple text with underbase. Do you need to match underbase with color coat?
 
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Registration is also off towards the bottom of the image. Just printed this image and registration looks good until the bottom two lines of text. Is there a way to adjust that? Just checked and the bed is totally level. No matter whether we match the underbase dpi to the color dpi or not, it still doesn't line up.
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Old July 16th, 2009 Jul 16, 2009 8:56:29 AM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Iproof setting

Hi Darin,

The outline around the bird image is caused by the gradient around the circle, you would have to remove the gradient to fix this. The reason is the Flexi-Jet rip detects 1% of color, anywhere there is 1% of any color it will put white down in that spot.

The white poking out of the bottom is a choke and feed setting. You would need to go into the rip and make sure your print resolution matches what the rip is set at. I'll send you an email with instructions on adjusting the choke & feed settings.
If you have any questions please let me know.

If anyone else needs these instructions please let me know I'll be more then happy to send them your way.

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Default Re: Iproof setting

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Hi Darin,

The outline around the bird image is caused by the gradient around the circle, you would have to remove the gradient to fix this. The reason is the Flexi-Jet rip detects 1% of color, anywhere there is 1% of any color it will put white down in that spot.

The white poking out of the bottom is a choke and feed setting. You would need to go into the rip and make sure your print resolution matches what the rip is set at. I'll send you an email with instructions on adjusting the choke & feed settings.
If you have any questions please let me know.

If anyone else needs these instructions please let me know I'll be more then happy to send them your way.

Renee
Ok thank you. So you really can't print gradients? You can with a T Jet. I am getting more and more limited and I thought I was buying something that could give me more flexibility. Just a little disappointed. Is there any rip program that can? A lot of my work is like this. If you look under the chin of the Grebe (bird). It doesn't even look similar. That bothers me too.
At any rate, thanks for your reply.
 
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So you really can't print gradients?
I have never been able to successfully print a white under base with a gradient outline. If someone else has using a Flexi-Jet I would be interested to know how they tweak the image.


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Old July 16th, 2009 Jul 16, 2009 1:33:31 PM -   #7 (permalink)
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I have never been able to successfully print a white under base with a gradient outline. If someone else has using a Flexi-Jet I would be interested to know how they tweak the image.


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Old July 16th, 2009 Jul 16, 2009 1:49:08 PM -   #8 (permalink)
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Default Re: Iproof setting

Here is a copy of the Iproof post on another forum concerning the features of the RIP upgrade available for the Flexi-jet. I have asked a person using it ( I have never used it myself) and was told that this version can much more easily accomplish your desired results if you use the "print from" features.

Hello Flexi-Users,


I'm pleased to announce the release of PowerRIP Flexi-Jet version 7.4.4
And now available at DTG Inks - Home

This version includes only two new features but one of them is a pretty powerful one. This version includes a new version of the previewer and a new "Print-From" feature which allows you to open the artwork, position it, create the underbase and preview it in the RIP without having to use PhotoShop, etc.

Unfortunately, version 7.4.4 is not free to current users. It is a chargeable upgrade. Although all new orders will be filled with version 744, existing users will need to pay a nomial upgrade fee.

Please Note: UNLESS YOU HAVE PURCHASED VERSION 7.4.4 IT WILL NOT WORK WITH YOUR CURRENT VALIDATION, IT WILL PRINT THE WATERMARK.


There is an addendum in the documentation section of the program group (start/programs/PowerRIP FlexiJet/documentatin) which covers the new Create-Job dialog.
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A little background...

There are two basic types of work flow when it comes to ripping. The "Print-To" RIPs like PowerRIP where you print "TO" the RIP from an application such as Photoshop or Corel. The other is a "Print-From" RIP where the user opens the artwork in the RIP, manipulates it and prints it from the rip application.

I've always been an advocate against print-from RIPs as I believe that the artwork should be manipulated in and printed from the application (Photoshop, Corel, etc.) as the RIP is and should be part of the printing process, not part of the artwork editing process. Indeed, a lot of print-from rips are that way because the developers simply don't know how to create a rip-to solution. Others were designed that way on purpose. It is no surprise then that because print-from solutions were so prevelant in this industry some folks became accustomed to having to open their artwork using the RIP.

As it turns out, however, there is one (and it's the only one I can think of) scenario where it is actually advantageous to be able to open the graphic in the RIP. This scenario involves white ink and transparency information. The one thing a print-from rip can do that a print-to rip cannot is recognize the color "transparent". This is because the transparency attribute disappears as soon as you print from an app (Photoshop, etc.) and all transparent pixels become the same as white pixels. So, transparency information cannot be used to auto-generate white ink in a print-to RIP. This was the main motivation for adding the "Create Job" feature. You can open a file with a transparent background and PowerRIP can use the trasparency data to generate the white mask (white pixels will be printed in white and trasparent pixels will not be printed at all). It also contains other methods of white-generation. Although PowerRIP's print-to workflow has many different and powerful ways to generate white ink, both automatic and manual, the addition of the Create Job feature adds all the functionality of a print-from RIP including the ability to use transparency information. This should eliminate any argument against using PowerRIP versus some other software and some other printer as we now have "the best of both worlds". We not only added all the functionality of the print-from's out there... we went a couple of steps further. There are a bunch of cool features such as the ability to export/import the auto-generated white mask. This will allow you to make changes to the RIP-generated white mask (I believe this is unique to PowerRIP).

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Sweet!!! Not excited about paying out more but I have no choice. Am excited that it will work on this situation.
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Thank you Michele, I honestly forgot all about the Print From feature... creature of habit I prefer to print from PS. I remember testing this and would have to go back to some notes to post the settings we used.

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Thanks to Arboristsite and Michelle as I have been trying myself to do this very thing.
I am pretty new to printing white and have a line of stuff related to Marine fish doing the same as Arboritsite is doing and was getting really frustrated.
Spent a lot of money on inks and time with no reward. Guess there is going to be even more money going out now to buy the rip upgrade!!
Arboristsite, let us know how you get on!!
 
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I sure will. Will be buying this week and I will update hopefully over the weekend.
 
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Thank you Michele, I honestly forgot all about the Print From feature... creature of habit I prefer to print from PS. I remember testing this and would have to go back to some notes to post the settings we used.

Thank you for always being on point.
It would be great if you could post exactly how to use these RIP features to the best advantage. Maybe more people want to use these features?
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It is my understanding that you can run both the old and new versions of the Flexi RIPs on the same computer... but I have not actually done this. If so, why not try the new version out? There is definitely a difference in what you can do with a Print To (the old version) and the Print From (the new version) RIPs. This is why I pushed Fred for this type of application. I am not saying one is better than the other... but to have the option to do both is always best! Here are some videos that cover the Print From Application features:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

I imagine that the reason why Darin can do it from FastRIP / FastArtist is because he is working with a raster graphic and he is opening it up in the RIP - not printing it directly from a graphic software program (Photoshop, CorelDraw,...) using the Print To application. Is this correct Darin?

Bottom line, check it out before you drop the money. I am sure that Dan or Renee can get you the link to try it out.

Hope the new software helps you out on this job (and many more in the future!),

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Is there an updated User's Manual with the update? I know there are alot of features that even from the last "free" version were not explained in the available manual.
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