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Old June 2nd, 2009 Jun 2, 2009 5:56:31 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Lot's of questions bout printing

Sir, I have a lot of question about silkscreen printing, I'm a newbie.

Here's my questions.

- How do you let you emulsion dry before burning the image?

- How do you clean the inks on your screen after using it?

- How to use the Emulsion Hardener?

- Do I really need to put water on sensitizer?

- Which is better. Buy a frame or make it on your own? What size is recommended?

- The board inside the shirts when printing, Do you put a foam in it? or leave it as is?

- Lights recommended for burning, watts and color, do I need to use white light or it doesn't matter?

- Where can I buy film paper or tracing paper A3 size? and where can I print it? mostly kasi A4 size lang T_T

and last thing, Can we drop by to your shop for sight seeing? hehehe ^_~

Thanks, Feel free to answer my question, I have a LOT pa, we are still in Trial and Error portion pa ee T_T

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-i just let it air dry horizontally, shirt side down, or if in a hurry i put a fan besides it to let it dry faster..if so much in a hurry i blow dry it.of course all of this is done in a dark room if u have one or in a uv safe room...=)

-depends on the ink..if im using waterbased ink i carded all the excess ink on the screens back to the container, or if it is already dried thrash it..then i spray some mist of screen opener on the screen to remove the inks that clogged on the open areas of the design..then i wash it with water and soap to remove excess inks..then dry it with newspaper or paper towel if im going to use it again or start reclaiming the screen.

-depends on the photo hardener..some hardener are applied to the screen after wash out (photolight of foteco chemicals)..but almost all hardeners are applied to the screen after wash out and dried..then leave it for at least 1 hour to dry..but reminder, once you put the hardener you can never reclaim the screen (except from some photohardeners and photo emulsion combination like the ones sold in multiprint).

-well, most of the sensitizers are in liquid form..if you are talking about the powder one i think you are refering to diazo..yes, you need to mix water to dissolve the diazo..but you can also directly mix it with the emulsion for more viscosity but be sure to really mix it well because its hard to mix it directly with the emulsion than adding water first..

-depends..if you are making many screens its better to make one..the size depends on your setup and platen..but i think the standard size or more often used is 20x24in..but again, depends on your setup..problem on making your own screens is how do you plan to stretch your mesh?

-some put some padding..but i think most of the time you just use the board..but it depends also on the substrate you are printing if it requires one or not..

-whats the purpose of the light?if its for your dark room or uv safe room use a uv safe bulb or yellow bulb..

theres nothing much in my shop cause im still running on a home based basis..hope it helps
 
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i just let it air dry horizontally, shirt side down, or if in a hurry i put a fan besides it to let it dry faster..if so much in a hurry i blow dry it.of course all of this is done in a dark room if u have one or in a uv safe room...=) <<<-- bout this sir, how many hours do I let it try? without a fan, with fan and with blow dryers?

depends on the ink..if im using waterbased ink i carded all the excess ink on the screens back to the container, or if it is already dried thrash it..then i spray some mist of screen opener on the screen to remove the inks that clogged on the open areas of the design..then i wash it with water and soap to remove excess inks..then dry it with newspaper or paper towel if im going to use it again or start reclaiming the screen. <<<-- I think we don't have any problem with this really, sa Matt color lang tlga T_T what Ink is much better ba? sa JJ kasi Wetlook paints is for white cotton lang daw except for black, then matt color na ung iba, wala nman sa SUPERCOLOR ung ibang kulay T_T

depends on the photo hardener..some hardener are applied to the screen after wash out (photolight of foteco chemicals)..but almost all hardeners are applied to the screen after wash out and dried..then leave it for at least 1 hour to dry..but reminder, once you put the hardener you can never reclaim the screen (except from some photohardeners and photo emulsion combination like the ones sold in multiprint). <<<--- so if the hardner is dry na, I can use the screen na? When I wash my screens kasi, the hardner is dripping din, so parang natatanggal din.

well, most of the sensitizers are in liquid form..if you are talking about the powder one i think you are refering to diazo..yes, you need to mix water to dissolve the diazo..but you can also directly mix it with the emulsion for more viscosity but be sure to really mix it well because its hard to mix it directly with the emulsion than adding water first.. <<<--- Sir the emulsion we use is from JJ, and yea it's in powder form. ano mas ok? ung liquid na ung sensitizer? Is it true na napapanis ang emulsion?

depends..if you are making many screens its better to make one..the size depends on your setup and platen..but i think the standard size or more often used is 20x24in..but again, depends on your setup..problem on making your own screens is how do you plan to stretch your mesh? <<<--- We make our own screen kasi, and I dunno if mas ok kung bibili, mas cheaper kasi pag gumagawa lang ee. pero hndi symetric lahat ng frame namin T_T

some put some padding..but i think most of the time you just use the board..but it depends also on the substrate you are printing if it requires one or not..
<<<--- so it means with or without, ok lang? sa normal shirts lang kami nag pprint ee. so what do you think?

whats the purpose of the light?if its for your dark room or uv safe room use a uv safe bulb or yellow bulb. <<<--- uhmm what I mean sir is sa pag burn ng image, I dunno kung ano tawag tlga dun, pero ung box where you place the screen and the design under the light ^_^
 
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-you can tell if the emulsion is dry if its not sticky and looks crisp..

-each kind of ink has its own purpose..wetlook is transparent rubberized ink for light garments which has a softer feel than opaque..rubberized opaque inks are for light to dark colored shirt which is slightly glossy in print..matt is more opaque and has no glossy or less glossy finish than opaque inks..so the best ink always depends on what substrate you are printing and what king of finish you are looking for..

-once the hardener is dry you can use the screen for printing..baka yung natatanggal e dye lang nung hardener..pero once it dries on your screen matibay na yung screen mo and depending on the emulsion and hardener, impossible to reclaim.

-usually kasi yung mga emulsion na may diazo is pre-packed na..meaning lahat nung diazo is in proportion na dun sa dami ng emulsion..unlike yung mga nabibiling sensitizer na bukod, ilalagay mo sya sa nabibiling unsensitized na emulsion..usually 9:1 ang ration ng pagmix nung emulsion sa sensitizer..syempre mas matibay yung mga emulsion with diazo compared sa bibilhin mo ng magkabukod..
yup, may expiration ang emulsion..usually ang unsensitized last for 1 year..once namix mo na depending on the emulsion and temperature, about 1-3 weeks sa dark place..yung iba nilalagay sa ref para mas tumagal..merong nabibiling sensitized na na emulsion na naglalast for 6mos to 2 years ang shelf life..pero mas mahirap yata ang exposure nun..

-yup, making your own screens is cheaper but you must do it with proper equipments..pag pangit kasi ang tension ng screen mo mahihirapan kang magregister ng mga prints pagdating sa multicolor kasi lumulundoy yung mesh..

-i dont use any padding on printing shirts

-ah, exposure unit ang tawag dun..syempre ang pinakamagandang ilagay dun is uv light..uv kasi ang kailngan mo for burning the screens..ill post in another thread my set up so you can see my equipments..basic lang kasi home based lang ako and still a student..hehe
 
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each kind of ink has its own purpose..wetlook is transparent rubberized ink for light garments which has a softer feel than opaque..rubberized opaque inks are for light to dark colored shirt which is slightly glossy in print..matt is more opaque and has no glossy or less glossy finish than opaque inks..so the best ink always depends on what substrate you are printing and what king of finish you are looking for. <<-- Hmm pero those inks, same lang ba ang process sa pag print? nahirapan tlga ko sa matt ee, T_T

usually kasi yung mga emulsion na may diazo is pre-packed na..meaning lahat nung diazo is in proportion na dun sa dami ng emulsion..unlike yung mga nabibiling sensitizer na bukod, ilalagay mo sya sa nabibiling unsensitized na emulsion..usually 9:1 ang ration ng pagmix nung emulsion sa sensitizer..syempre mas matibay yung mga emulsion with diazo compared sa bibilhin mo ng magkabukod..
yup, may expiration ang emulsion..usually ang unsensitized last for 1 year..once namix mo na depending on the emulsion and temperature, about 1-3 weeks sa dark place..yung iba nilalagay sa ref para mas tumagal..merong nabibiling sensitized na na emulsion na naglalast for 6mos to 2 years ang shelf life..pero mas mahirap yata ang exposure nun <<<--- Ahh so much better kung bibilin ko is ung naka mixed na? kasi I heard someone in Rochas they let their costumer pick which one ee, may mixed na daw sila and may hindi. diazo and sensitizer, mag kaiba ba to? lol, naguluhan ako hahaha

yup, making your own screens is cheaper but you must do it with proper equipments..pag pangit kasi ang tension ng screen mo mahihirapan kang magregister ng mga prints pagdating sa multicolor kasi lumulundoy yung mesh. <<<--- ang problema lang tlga namin is ung pag equal ng mga frames. hndi kasi minsan pantay ung kahoy, bout sa mesh, need it to be drum tight right?

ah, exposure unit ang tawag dun..syempre ang pinakamagandang ilagay dun is uv light..uv kasi ang kailngan mo for burning the screens..ill post in another thread my set up so you can see my equipments..basic lang kasi home based lang ako and still a student..hehe <<<--- eto pa pala, D ko alam kung san makaka bili ng UV light, so I use normal bulb lang, tagal nga lang ng burning time namin ^_^

nga pala where can I buy film paper or tracing paper A3 size? and where can I print it? mostly kasi A4 size lang T_T
 
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-pano ka bng nahihirapan sa matt?anong nagiging problema mo?

-ako personally mas gusto ko yung with diazo..mas madaling hanapin yung exposure time nya..thou mga 3 weeks lang ang kaya nyang itagal pag sensitized na, hindi nmn ako umaabot ng ganun katagal bago maubos yung emulsion..ang ginagawa ko hinahati ko sa 2 yung emulsion saka yung diazo tas half lang muna mix ko..

-ano bang set up mo sa paprint?yung tension maganda yung tight..tipong pagnagprint ka wid off contact e bumabalik pataas yung mesh..hindi dumidikit sa damit..

-ano exposure time mo?meron nun sa mga hardware..magtanong ka lang..sabihin mo yung ginagamit sa mga insecto na blue light..haha

-naghahanap din ako a3 size na panginkjet..usually kasi ang meron lang is for laser..wala p kong laser printer..kaya ginagawa ko tape ko na lng ung 2 a4 pag oversized printing..
 
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- sa matt color sir, we tried mag test print with that. ang nangyari is, after the first try ok nman, then the second may mga part na hndi na tumagos ung ink, the third is lalong lumala, cgro mga 2minutes ang interval ng pag gamit nung screen na un, kasi 2color tnry namin ee, red then black, then ulit until 3rd try. na22yo agad T_T

- good idea, anong emulsion binibili mo?

- set up ko? uhmm wala pa, mano mano pa, sa sahig lang, kaya nag tatanong din ako for better set up, gusto ko magpagawa ng may hinges and clamp sana, ang kaso that's only for single color ee. kahit 2 - 4 colors sana na set up gusto ko.

-expo time namin now is 20mins ^_~ tagal no? 18watts lang ata gamit namin, dalawang gnun. pero dpende sa emulsion, at first emulsion namin, ung cheaper one sa JJ, 8 minutes is enuf na ee, pero tnry namin ung medyo mahal hoping for a good result, pero umabot kami sa gnung katagal na expo time

- as of now kasi nag papaprint lang kami, uhmm ano ba mas ok na printer? I mean para sa tracing paper? kasi un palang gamit namin ngayon, we ddnt try the film paper pa, ayaw kasi nila i-print ung gnun ee, sa shop lang kami nag pprint T_T. aun pag inkjet gamit namin nag ssmudge sa tracing ee. nawawala ung maliliit na details T_T
 
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-are you using off contact when printing?maganda ba tension ng screen mo?pag ba tinanggal mo yung screen nasama yung damit?try mo baguhin angle ng squeegee mo..try using 80 degrees..kakaprint ko lang kasi ng matt colors ok nmn..yung pinost ko dun sa tread na show your rig e matt gamit ko dun..wlang naiiwan na ink sa butas ng screen pag nagpprint ako..be sure na gumamit k ng tamang off contact and maganda talaga tension ng screen mo..

-i use photoblu tx plus from multiprint and fotec1915 wr from rochas/screenart

-gumagamit k nmn ng table adhesive or spray adhesive para dumikit ung damit sa board?

-ang gamitin mong transparency is for inkjet para hindi magsmudge..mas maganda details dun compare sa tracing paper..around 20-25 per pc un..
 
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are you using off contact when printing?maganda ba tension ng screen mo?pag ba tinanggal mo yung screen nasama yung damit?try mo baguhin angle ng squeegee mo..try using 80 degrees..kakaprint ko lang kasi ng matt colors ok nmn..yung pinost ko dun sa tread na show your rig e matt gamit ko dun..wlang naiiwan na ink sa butas ng screen pag nagpprint ako..be sure na gumamit k ng tamang off contact and maganda talaga tension ng screen mo <<<-- not really sure kung yun na tlga ung pinakamagandang tension, but it's tight nman, mas tighter than sa binebenta sa national bookstore. and yea medyo dumidikit ung shirt sa screen after ng hagod. I was thinking if sa foam sa patungan ko un ee.

i use photoblu tx plus from multiprint and fotec1915 wr from rochas/screenart <<<--- sa rochas ba un? how much? maybe I'll go buy one sa thursday kasi I'll go back to JJ ^_~ Para may ideas na ko

gumagamit k nmn ng table adhesive or spray adhesive para dumikit ung damit sa board? <<<-- yea meron nman sha, pero sa test print hndi kami nag lagay, is really that important kahit 1 color lang?

ang gamitin mong transparency is for inkjet para hindi magsmudge..mas maganda details dun compare sa tracing paper..around 20-25 per pc un <<<--- aww. nakabili ako transparency pero for laser ee. hndi ba nag ssmudge dun? ayaw kasi kami pag bigyan ng mga comp shops for that. masisira lang daw T_T
 
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-gumamit ka ng off contact

-around 800/kg

-yup, kasi pag wala didikit talaga yung tela sa screen mo

-the name speaks for itself, its for laser printer..yung inkjet is for inkjet, hindi sya nagssmudge..
 
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gumamit ka ng off contact <<<--- ano un sir? san nabibili yan? ^_^

around 800/kg <<<--- yay! mahal pala ^_^

he name speaks for itself, its for laser printer..yung inkjet is for inkjet, hindi sya nagssmudge <<<--- Ok good ^_^ I'll try this one.
 
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off contact para hindi nakadikit yung screen sa damit..nakaangat yung screen by 1/16 or 1/8 of an inch..mas maganda ink deposit kapag may off contact..ako ang ginagamit ko e popsicle sticks lang..1 or 2 popsicle sticks na magkapatong tas nilalagay ko sa platen or sa screen mismo.
 
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off contact para hindi nakadikit yung screen sa damit..nakaangat yung screen by 1/16 or 1/8 of an inch..mas maganda ink deposit kapag may off contact..ako ang ginagamit ko e popsicle sticks lang..1 or 2 popsicle sticks na magkapatong tas nilalagay ko sa platen or sa screen mismo.
Teka sir, d ko magets. off contact <<-- pag gagawa ako ng screen? or when printing na? ^_~
 
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sir, trry using the search function of the forum..there are many topics already posted out there about your questions..try reading them first..it can answer lots of your inquiries before posting another thread..if you still cant get what you are looking for then post a new thread..thanks
 
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ayy, sorry lang, d ko kasi alam i-navigate mashado tong site. so I posted a thread instead of that. baka nman may makatulong agad.
 
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